David Graeber and David Harvey discuss their new books, Debt: The First 5000 Years, and Rebel Cities, respectively
Summary
The transcript argues that anti-capitalist struggle should be organized around cities, urban life, and the people who reproduce them, not only factory labor. It uses historical and contemporary examples—from the Paris Commune to Occupy Wall Street—to show how urban networks, class alliances, and direct democracy can support broader movements, while also highlighting repression and police violence.
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