…and that that's the thing. For those of you if you have not heard it, I really strongly recommend listening to the the Jim Fadiman podcast. We recently did that uh I mentioned that uh bill had also had some comments on because uh Jim's been researching…

…be featuring a lot of speakers including Steve Beyer who also hosts spirit plants radio among many other ventures. Also I think that Jim Fadiman is going to be there and we're planning on having him as a guest here in the salon later this year when…