…I still don't really understand what was so controversial about it. Anyway, what follows is the interaction and commentary between myself, Bruce and several of the other participants in this workshop. As you'll hear, this to me at least, is an excellent…

…that you'll discover that the deep value coming out of this workshop was what the other participants had to say. For our part Bruce and I tried to seed the conversation and respond to comments but the bulk of the important stuff actually came from the…

…web is the most significant invention of technology since writing and so and if you think about it you know I can you know Bruce and I have been involved in that for many many years and and the speed with which things have changed that it's look at…

…things and you know he didn't take himself seriously you know he did for a while maybe but for the most part he even told Bruce what was that about? Yeah now when it came to 2012 I said Terrence, are you serious about this? Thing you know here you…

…I'd completely lost my enthusiasm for the event, as did many of our key people, so our camp never really came together. However Bruce pressed on and thanks to an introduction made by Alicia Danforth, he linked up with a group that is now calling itself…

…other incarnations. And the person who did much of the work both then and now is Chris Pezza, and he hooked up with Bruce to work out a schedule for a combined lecture series this year under the planque norte banner. Then Bruce got called away for…

…he hooked up with Bruce to work out a schedule for a combined lecture series this year under the planque norte banner. Then Bruce got called away for business reasons and Chris had to pick up the Slack and more or less put this entire speaker schedule…

…in operation now if you think back about a year ago, you may remember that Bruce Dahmer and I introduced the idea of Bruce and the ghost of Terrence McKenna conducting a so called global trialogue with you or one of our other fellow salonners. The idea…

…of Terrence McKenna conducting a so called global trialogue with you or one of our other fellow salonners. The idea was to send Bruce Either an email question or record your question in mp3 format and send it to him via the webpage that you're going to…

…China the UK, Ireland and several other spots in Europe not to mention doing work on both coasts of the us. In other words, Bruce has been busier than a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. Oh gosh I'm sorry Bruce I didn't mean to make light…

…of the us. In other words, Bruce has been busier than a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. Oh gosh I'm sorry Bruce I didn't mean to make light of your incredible work schedule. It's just that my mouth sometimes keeps going long after my brain…

…so let's find out what some of the more pressing things are on the minds of our fellow salonners. And the first question that Bruce will address in this new segment comes from Chris in Australia, and I'd tell you the name of the town he lives in if…

…psychedelic salon. So thank you all ever so much. And two more people that I would like to thank today are tom barbalay and Bruce Namer, who happen to be the two people that we are about to hear from right now. As you already know from my mention…

…about is something much more fundamental than that. In fact in a companion interview to the one we're about to hear, Bruce points out that tom actually coined the perfect acronym for the field of their investigation, and that is cool: computational origins…

…I have the pleasure of talking with Bruce Dahmer who is no stranger to the salon at all in fact some of my favorite photos of Bruce are of fans coming to him at burning man with his avatar book. And also the salon has given me one of the, I guess…

…him at burning man with his avatar book. And also the salon has given me one of the, I guess most intimate accounts of Bruce and it's been a privilege listening to a number of your talks that have appeared in the salon. Bruce and I have been recording…

…most intimate accounts of Bruce and it's been a privilege listening to a number of your talks that have appeared in the salon. Bruce and I have been recording conversations for about five years now. I think I probably have the title of the most recorded…

…interesting. So you see computers might play a role in that kind of visual component. Actually I've heard you talk about actually Bruce when you asked your question about will computers become intelligent in life. I've heard you talk about it more that the…

…it has to do with the basic idea of this modeling scheme and there is sort of input and output. And input is r. You set r. Bruce was setting r when he made the film and so he'd know where he set it. He put it in the upper left hand corner. R…

…out exactly on December 21. And now that I've said all of this I realize that it's really not a very big deal to anybody but Bruce and me so I'm sorry to have delayed the start of this talk for that unimportant story. So let's get on with it and as…

…shared a sense of disappointment with you when that tape went missing. Well here we are not even four years later and guess what? Bruce and Ralph hunted that tape down and digitized it for us so we can play it today. I guess it was probably about 20…

…donation to the salon, as well as thanking fellow salonner Bruce W, who sent in a very generous donation today. So Yoshi and Bruce, Along with all of our fellow salonners I want to thank you for your generosity in these very difficult times. So thanks…

…the phone with Bruce Dahmer and somehow the topic of uploading consciousness into silicon came up, and in just a few short minutes Bruce was able to explain to me why this isn't even close to the realm of technical feasibility right now. And until then…

…one would do it and what the specs would be for a machine that could hold my thoughts. But this is an area where Bruce has spent a considerable amount of time looking into the problem and basically he brought to an end my fantasy of living forever in…

…thinking about uploading my consciousness during a singularity or something like that. But my lame jokes aside I do want to thank Bruce for taking the time to record that little soundbite for us and to move the conversation about this topic onto a more…

…that later on you'll give yourself a little time to think about the vastly different approaches to the psychedelic experience that Bruce speaks about when contrasted to last week's talk about plant medicines, and while I don't have any definitive ideas about…

…Tonight, Who's going to talk about the entheogenic singularity and pay his tribute to Sasha Shulgin, and I just want to say Bruce is an extraordinary individual that combines science and magic and a very free spirit and it's a pleasure to be here with…

…lecture series in association with the scientific and medical network. Now Bruce's talk is titled Terence McKenna's Elves, Eckhart Tolle's Egos and Bruce Dahmer's Avatars new tools to forge or forgo a new earth. And for those of us who can't be there in…

…and Bruce Dahmer's Avatars new tools to forge or forgo a new earth. And for those of us who can't be there in person, I'm sure that Bruce will record it and post it on his own website, which is Dahmer Com d a m e r dot com, and you can find a…

…in before you get lost in the thicket of thoughts that our merry triloggers create. And in addition to Ralph Rupert Terrence Bruce and chateau o hayouk, whose music you hear in the background right now, I also want to thank three people whose financial…

…salon. Also a big thank you goes out to Ralph Abraham for letting us play his trilog tapes here in the salon and to Bruce Stamer, who not only made the arrangements with Ralph but who also stayed up for several days and nights digitizing the box of…

…Living in the dream being in touch with yeah to some degree I don't know that much about aboriginals. I'm interested I read Bruce Chatwin's book songlines and I found it absolutely fascinating. And if you want an exact I mean I'll talk about it for a…

…so on that's just the trailing edge of evolving language. Well, so here's a story which relates to this, that is in Bruce Chatwin's book song lines. There are these things called song lines which cross Australia and they can be thousands of miles long.…

…it just didn't seem loaded with golden ore like some of their earlier conversations. As far as the tapes that Ralph Abraham loaned Bruce Dehmer and me to digitise, the talk you just heard was the last one we have a recording of at least chronologically,…

…for the use of Ralph's Tapes, but who also stayed up with me for several nights as we digitized them. So hey thanks again Bruce, and for now this is Lorenzo signing off from cyberdelic space. I'll be back with you soon but until then, be well my…

…I led at the esalen institute this past June, and by now you are probably wondering why you haven't heard very much from Bruce in the previous two podcasts. Well there's a good reason for that. You see, Bruce has requested that several of his monologues…

…wondering why you haven't heard very much from Bruce in the previous two podcasts. Well there's a good reason for that. You see, Bruce has requested that several of his monologues be strung together into a single podcast, and I'm working on that as I go…

…that several of his monologues be strung together into a single podcast, and I'm working on that as I go along and since I promised Bruce to get his talks out before he leaves for the playa at burning man, I guess I'd better get a move on as the old…

…through two edits, what I'm doing is stripping out Bruce's Pieces and then playing for you what's left over, which is a little of Bruce, more of me and a lot from the participants in the workshop. And after we listen to the part that I'm going to play…

…today it looks like there may be at least one or two more podcasts like this. One and then they'll be followed by the Bruce Compilation. Now as we listen to this next segment, please keep in mind that this is not the complete record of this event,…

…stayed up with me for three days and nights helping to rip these cassettes into digital format. You'll be hearing a lot more from Bruce by the way in a new podcast channel that I'll be kicking off after the first of the year. Also my sincere thanks…

…somewhat apocalyptic state of mind. What I find interesting is that this recording was made in 1985, and that was the year that Bruce Springsteen's Album born in the USA was released. Just to give you a little handle on where you might have been that…

…I was going to title it daymer McKenna and covid 19, but after I read it I realized that somebody might think that Bruce and Dennis had caught the virus but they haven't. However if you know where Bruce lives then you have most likely been following…

…I realized that somebody might think that Bruce and Dennis had caught the virus but they haven't. However if you know where Bruce lives then you have most likely been following the news of the wildfires in Northern California. The good news is that his…

…that his farm, ancient oaks, was spared from the fires. The bad news is that, well it could be a week or more until Bruce will be allowed to return to his property. In the meantime, he planned on posting a new program on his levity zone podcast, but…

…a lot of the same listeners and by the way if you're new to the salon, you should know that had it not been for Bruce Daymer, these podcasts from the salon would have ended a long time ago. You see I did my first few podcasts, well just to learn…

…the technology worked I never intended on doing this for what has now been over 15 years but after I had a few programs out, Bruce called me and said to meet him in Santa Cruz where Ralph Abraham lived. He told me that Ralph was willing to turn over…

…of the video as well just to get a good feel for the vibe on the playa at the time the talks were given. So tom pez, Bruce, Annie and all the REST of you burners who worked on this project my hat is off to you and on behalf of all of us here…

…I c r e v o l u t I o n somaticrevolution com. And tickets for the three day event are only 45 and neither Bruce Nor I are getting a speaking fee from this just expenses, and once all of the expenses are covered anything that's left over is going…

…should probably cover, such as what's up with the potential get together in London with Bruce Dahmer next summer? And for sure Bruce is going to be there. I think there's an event already getting solidified somehow, maybe two, and I may be there myself.…

…to the salon to help with the expenses associated in getting these podcasts out to you and these wonderful people. Robert A. Harley D. Bruce C. Kevin M. Joseph H. And that name, of course, reminds me of my dad, who is another Joseph H. Also Simon T.…

…he also mentioned a podcast by Zach Leary featuring Tony Moss. Well, I don't know if this is actually a synchronicity, but both Bruce and Tony are dear friends of mine. In fact, Bruce called me as he was driving down to Duncan's studio for his…

…Moss. Well, I don't know if this is actually a synchronicity, but both Bruce and Tony are dear friends of mine. In fact, Bruce called me as he was driving down to Duncan's studio for his interview. And a day or so before that, I'd actually listened…

…to Zach's interview with Tony. Now, if you've been with us here in the salon for a while, you're already familiar with Bruce Neymar. But if you don't already know Tony Moss, then I highly recommend that you listen to his interview with Zach Leary.…

…use to strip the audio for this podcast. Well, over the ensuing months, I kind of dropped the ball myself. But then Susannah met Bruce when he was in Europe somewhere, and she either gave him the dvd then or mailed it to him later. But in any event,…

…when he was in Europe somewhere, and she either gave him the dvd then or mailed it to him later. But in any event, Bruce had the dvd for a couple months, thinking that he and I would be getting together in person. However, that didn't happen and so…

…idea of how surreal the whole thing. I think most of you have, or some of you may have heard about this book written by Bruce Lamb. You know, the wizard of the Upper Amazon and Rio Tigri and beyond and so forth. Well, this was a story about a man…

…in for the Palenque Norte lectures there last Thursday, but apparently the bandwidth is now at a serious premium on the playa. Even Bruce wasn't able to squeak an email out to me that night. But in any event, I'll be joining thousands of others online…

…extremely difficult position, I have done so at the cost of receiving a lot of hate mail for doing so. Now, what Bruce and I didn't know at the time of this performance and podcast was that Dennis had apparently given McKenna family, including Terrance's…

…to what went into the book he is writing about his brother, and the appearance of some of the texts online as read by Bruce in his presentation, has evidently caused quite an uproar. Since I in no way want to be the cause of these difficulties, I have…

…man Nick herbert is. I've had some conversations with him that completely blew my mind. And, well, during one visit that we had on Bruce Dammer's back porch, Nick took a picture of me that I used as the COVID art on the 400 series of podcasts. Now,…

…still unfolding. I can't remember if I played it here in one of the podcasts, but one night when I was staying at Bruce Dahmer's house, back when we were digitizing all of Ralph Abraham's recordings of the trialogues, we got to talking about the last…

…back when we were digitizing all of Ralph Abraham's recordings of the trialogues, we got to talking about the last night that Bruce and Terrence spent together at Terrence's house in Hawaii. It was late at night, and Bruce and Terrence were just kind of…

…talking about the last night that Bruce and Terrence spent together at Terrence's house in Hawaii. It was late at night, and Bruce and Terrence were just kind of kicking back and talking about a wide range of things when Terrence asked Bruce about this…

…at night, and Bruce and Terrence were just kind of kicking back and talking about a wide range of things when Terrence asked Bruce about this problem of an asteroid impact. So for a couple of hours, the two of them kicked the idea around, mainly with…

…Bruce about this problem of an asteroid impact. So for a couple of hours, the two of them kicked the idea around, mainly with Bruce doing most of the talking, since he was already involved with NASA and the space program. And what Bruce told me is that…

…up everybody's voice. Now, this particular session took place on a Friday evening on the last day of July in 1998. And since Bruce and I are planning on doing something like this at our Esalen workshop next month, I wanted to let Bruce hear how Terrence…

…1998. And since Bruce and I are planning on doing something like this at our Esalen workshop next month, I wanted to let Bruce hear how Terrence did it. However, once I got it digitized, I remembered that when I did the first Valley of novelty podcast,…

…anything anybody has been able to come up with. Some of you may know this book called the Shaman. No. What was Cordoba, Bruce Lamb's second book called the Rio Tigre and Beyond, where this guy who had learned how to make ayahuasca when he was kidnapped…

…through Bruce Dahmer, who had it sent to him by a friend who had recorded it from the radio and sent it to Bruce. Because this interview was given shortly after the virtual reality session that Bruce did for a McKenna workshop, and it was facilitated…

…had recorded it from the radio and sent it to Bruce. Because this interview was given shortly after the virtual reality session that Bruce did for a McKenna workshop, and it was facilitated over at Terrance's house in Hawaii. And by the way, you can see…

…And so I want to thank Michael KQED, Bruce Dahmer, and the unnamed person who actually made the recording and sent it to Bruce. Without all of you, these words of wisdom from the bard McKenna might have been lost forever. But such is not the case.…

…potential is there. We learn things here and then we go out to the world and participate in things discussed by Bruce, etcetera but if the salon turns into just another political soapbox, then we've lost something truly special. And then in parentheses…

…truly special. And then in parentheses he closed and said. And to put my above statement into perspective, I certainly side with Bruce and Lorenzo's politics for the most part. So my old man grumpiness is not because I oppose your views, just keep them…

…the other day, he mentioned the fact that he thought he still had the original tapes from that conference, which featured Bruce Eisner, David Nichols, Rick Doblin, Richard Jensen, Timothy Leary, and Charlie himself, of course. So if Charlie can find those…

…to it after the fact, I find it much more fun to watch Joe live. And it should be fun to watch, as I think Bruce is going to bring along some, a few of the interesting little gadgets he has in the digibarn computer museum that he curates in his…

…I would like to point you to the program notes for this podcast@thepsychedelicsalon.org, where you'll find a link to the concept poster that Bruce created to give you an idea of what we're looking for. Now, while I say this is a contest, I should also…

…will be holding our Terrence and Timothy happening at 09:00 p.m. on Friday night. At least that's the plan right now. And also, Bruce and I will be there one day during the week for a daytime interactive plyologue of some kind, and we'll also be doing…

…the edge of the hardware. The failure is in the software writing department. But if you look at what people like Bruce Damar at digital Space are doing, the singularity website pages, the artificial intelligence web pages, the Transhuman web pages, the…

…Workshop page and sign up today. I'll put a link to that along with the program notes for today's podcast. And with a little luck, Bruce and I may be able to record a bit of what we'll be talking about even before then and put it out here in the…

…after a close and careful examination of mankind? Well, a lot of people have actually asked this question, people like Mark Pesci and Bruce Dammer. And what they come up with is they say as soon as you have a super intelligent machine, it will turn its…

…react to any outside stimuli is 120 fifth to second. My question is, can you time travel? Can we, like if a person like Bruce Lee was able to mark that, reacted to an outside stimulator at one 20th and 121st. So if you're reacting to the outside world…

…podcast, I'll be playing part of an interview that Matt Anderson did with Bruce Dahmer for his fall winter documentary series. In it, Bruce expands on his thoughts about what he sees as the coming of a great crescendo. So in the weeks ahead, we'll be…

…his thoughts about what he sees as the coming of a great crescendo. So in the weeks ahead, we'll be spending some time with Bruce, and then I'll probably dip into the Timothy Leary archive for a bit more from the good doctor. And then we'll get back…

…be, but the trip up to visit Bruce Dahmer was well worth a little wear and tear. And I'll tell you more about my visit with Bruce in a future podcast when I play a part of one of the conversations we had. But since I want to get this podcast out…

…channel, which I'll link to on the program notes for this podcast. And by the way, Simon, I got the disc that you gave to Bruce to get to me, and I plan on listening to it this week. So hey, thanks for thinking of me. Now, after the October gallery…

…to me, and I plan on listening to it this week. So hey, thanks for thinking of me. Now, after the October gallery talk, Bruce gave a second version of it at the Buddha Field Festival, and that's the one I'll be playing today. As you know, Bruce titled…

…Bruce gave a second version of it at the Buddha Field Festival, and that's the one I'll be playing today. As you know, Bruce titled this talk elves, egos, and avatars. And if you've been following any of the threads about ego death over on the…

…on the growreport.com forums, I think you maybe will enjoy his personal experience of a full blown ego death. Now, not long after Bruce gave this talk, one of our fellow slaughters sent me a message saying that he had been just kind of roaming through…

…to hear right now. And so that's the image I'd like to hold on to. You and I have just walked into the big tent where Bruce is beginning to speak. So let's hear what he has on his mind today. What I wanted to talk to you about, how many people…

…salon here I plan on playing Bruce's booze festival talk. Also, some of our EU saloners will have a chance to catch Bruce Live, where he will be presenting the opening keynote of the cognitive intelligence and Games conference in Copenhagen, Denmark on the…

…afterlife twelve conference in the Odense, Denmark on the 19th through the 23 August. So if you'd like to meet up with Bruce in Denmark, you can reach him through his website, www.damer.com dash, or on Facebook and make some arrangements to get together.…

…So if you want to debate the possibilities and the hows and whys of human spaceflight, you ought to get in touch with Bruce, because he spent a lot of time working with NASA and even some former moonwalking astronauts, and they've had a big influence on…

…Now, Bruce Dahmer, Bernardo Castrup, and I have a proposition for you. You see, yesterday morning I set up a Zoom meeting between Bruce and Bernardo, and it was the first time that they were able to exchange ideas in real time. A few years ago, I…

…So I hope that you'll join us next Monday, the 2 April, and help build a workshop size group that I can entice Bruce and Bernardo to join periodically for an evening of mind candy. Now finally getting to today's podcast, we're going to pick up with…

…any of the drawings, but Sharon must have guessed that I'd do something like that. And so during the whiteout on the playa, during Bruce Damers talk, Sharon added color to one half of the first drawing. So as I rested in bed this week or last week, I…

…anybody has been able to come up with. Some of you may know this. This book called the Shaman. No, what was Cordo or Bruce Lamb's second book called the Rio Tigre and Beyond, where this guy who had learned how to make ayahuasca when he was kidnapped…

…Bruce Dahmer about how he came to know Terrence McKenna. And then follow that with a recording of one of the last conversations Bruce and Terrence had at Terrence's house on the big island of Hawaii. Now, one of the reasons I think it might be…

…And took him deep through the crystal blue veil. And now I'd like to play a recording that is part of a conversation between Bruce and Terrence that took place in Hawaii in the meeting that they planned a few months earlier. And by the way, if you…

…worthwhile, I think. And so I've left them up there for a little while longer now. Anyway, let's get to the conversation between Bruce and Terence that Bruce described just a few minutes ago. When Bruce first sent me this recording to play, I told him…

…And so I've left them up there for a little while longer now. Anyway, let's get to the conversation between Bruce and Terence that Bruce described just a few minutes ago. When Bruce first sent me this recording to play, I told him that as much as I'd…

…little while longer now. Anyway, let's get to the conversation between Bruce and Terence that Bruce described just a few minutes ago. When Bruce first sent me this recording to play, I told him that as much as I'd like to, it really wasn't listenable to…

…who made a really nice donation to the salon last week to help offset some of the expenses associated with these podcasts. So, Bruce, thanks a million. I really appreciate your help. Now, a couple of years ago, one of our fellow saloners asked me to…

…that this talk was given back in 1996, which is long before Terrence had his first in depth experience of virtual reality at Bruce Dahmer's house. What a shame that Terrence only had one occasion in which to test VR as a way to conduct his workshops…

…with Bruce Dahmer. And who knows, we may even get a podcast out of one of our late night conversations. And also, since Bruce is planning on attending some of the sessions at the psychedelic conference in San Jose this weekend, I decided to tag along…