…But I liked some of the early books, Soldiers Pay, Enlightened August, and Sanctuary. But I confess I haven't read anything recently. Joyce, it seemed to me, seemed to think that words were omnipotent. I mean, they are not omnipotent. He was a very…

…first volume of Proust in 1915 and being tremendously impressed by it. And Gide I read at that time. Were you much pleased with Joyce? Never very much, no. I never got very much out of Ulysses. I mean, I think it's an extraordinary book, but I leave…