…have in fact been used from time immemorial by people within the great East and Western religious traditions, and which this man, Cordonier, has shown can be used very effectively, even in relation to scientific problems. I think, as I say, I think that…

…maybe he can't examine his dimension until he uses some sort of psychological technique comparable to that which this man, Cordonier, was using in regard to his scientific and also to his philosophical problems. Precisely, precisely, because the expansion must…