…what are you to do? How can you get off it and get moving? Fundamentally of course you have to be surprised into it. Winthrop Sargent not so long ago interviewed a Great Zen Priest in Kyoto who posed to him the question: who are you? And he said:…

…so long ago interviewed a Great Zen Priest in Kyoto who posed to him the question: who are you? And he said: well I'm Winthrop Sargent and the priest laughed: no he said I don't mean that I mean who are you really? Well then he went into all sorts…

…on and the priest just laughed and said no. Then the priest just tossed off the conversation and a little later made a joke and Sargent laughed and he said: there you are. There was an army officer who once came to a Zen master and said: I have heard…