…the essential principles of the method of Zen and the other the essential principles of the method or non method of Krishnamurti. Because coming to the blaisdell institute are these people, Zen people and Krishnamurti we hope so that you know don't brood…

…essential principles of the method or non method of Krishnamurti. Because coming to the blaisdell institute are these people, Zen people and Krishnamurti we hope so that you know don't brood it around too much but that's what you're in for. But of course…

…how to connect the mystical with the practical. This is a very good influence. And in the same way, I would think Krishnamurti has a comparable influence, although he doesn't act as the leader of an ongoing community as Suzuki does. This is a more…

…you mentioned what I consider the house number when you said silence and the cultivation of silence. You are an admirer of Krishnamurti, He's one of the people you speak most highly of in your autobiography and he, of course is an advocate of mental…

…babble stops of itself, as when you simply listen to pure sound, see that's essentially the method of yoga it's called mantra. Krishnamurti of course, wouldn't identify it as yoga yes but he always starts out every talk by saying it is extremely important…

…same process. There isn't a dichotomy of I listening on the one hand and the sound being listened to on the other. See Krishnamurti has a terrible time explaining what he means. He's worked at it for years and years and years and published volumes of…

…so on, and I know what he's talking about and I'm trying to say the same thing in a slightly different style. I think Krishnamurti is too serious. He doesn't allow laughter at his lectures. But I love him I think he's a Great man. I always allow…

…because the real world is non verbal. But do you still maintain that there's some value in traditional religious forms and practices? Krishnamurti throws them all out and I sense with you some sort of whether it's nostalgia or what some sort of feeling.…

…particularly bad. And yet and yet you know if you listen, he said he would find something. Did he ever discuss these experiences with Krishnamurti? He did. He told me that the very first time that he had it with Maria and Dr Osmond. Then he went up to…

…is there all the time except when he has to come back and talk a little bit, and I think that is the merit. Of Krishnamurti to do this speaking to people because probably he would have a much better time not to. Would you say that all this was…

…it be the center. And he said no center. Yes that was very strange. One can feel that for him it's all so natural for Krishnamurti all this is so natural so obvious, that it seems to him preposterous even to have to say these things. But I must say…

…been surprised at people's reactions when they find that a man with a reputation for being a great sage take for example Krishnamurti, who has recently been suffering from a good deal of sickness and bad health people feel that the fact that he suffers…

…you mentioned what I consider the house number when you said silence, yes, and the cultivation of silence. You are an admirer of Krishnamurti, He's one of the people you speak most highly of in your autobiography and he of course is an advocate of mental…

…babble stops of itself, as when you simply listen to pure sound, see that's essentially the method of yoga. It's called mantra. Krishnamurti of course wouldn't identify it as yoga but he always starts out every talk by saying it is extremely important to…

…same process. There isn't a dichotomy of I listening on the one hand and the sound being listened to on the other. See Krishnamurti has a terrible time explaining what he means. He's worked at it for years and years and years and published volumes of…

…on. And I know what he's talking about and I'm trying to say the same thing in a slightly different style. See I think Krishnamurti is too serious. He doesn't allow laughter at his lectures. But I love him I think he's a Great man. I always allow…

…because the real world is non verbal. But do you still maintain that there's some value in traditional religious forms and practices? Krishnamurti throws them all out. Did I sense with you some sort of whether it's nostalgia or what some sort of feelings?…

…you mentioned what I consider the house number when you said silence, yes and the cultivation of silence. You are an admirer of Krishnamurti, He's one of the people you speak most highly of in your autobiography and he of course is an advocate of mental…

…stops of itself, as when you simply listen to pure sound hmm, see that's essentially the method of yoga. It's called mantra. Krishnamurti of course wouldn't wouldn't identify it yes but he always starts out every talk by saying it is extremely important to…

…same process. There isn't a dichotomy of I listening on the one hand and the sound being listened to on the other. See Krishnamurti has a terrible time explaining what he means. He's worked at it for years and years and years and published volumes of…

…I know what he's talking about and I've tried I'm trying to say the same thing in a slightly different style. See I think Krishnamurti is too serious. He doesn't allow laughter at his lectures. But I love him I think he's a Great man. I always allow…

…because the real world is nonverbal. But do you still maintain that there's some value in traditional religious forms and practices? Krishnamurti throws them all out. Do I sense with you some sort of whether it's nostalgia or what some sort of feeling?…

…whole idea involves a sort of skitsy situation where this I is going to change me. And this is where the genius of Krishnamurti comes out, where he won't give anyone a method and actually he gets you into the meditation process by pretending not to.…

…of consciousness which is like that which is one with the whole thing going on. And this is saying the same thing as Krishnamurti says when he tries to explain that there really is no feeler separate from our feelings and no thinker separate from our…

…the real self within us because he knew people would use the real self as a hideout for the ego. And so when say Krishnamurti tries to explain this, he doesn't talk about the witness, he talks about awareness and people say to him: but who is aware…

…need any god because you're it, but also you don't cling to the idea that you're it. In other words, this is why Krishnamurti makes a certain kind of attack on people who are vedantists and who believe that the human self is ultimately the divine self.…

…and only think the thoughts that you think are good thoughts to think, you will find that you're going around in a circle. Krishnamurti, is awfully good at pointing this out. When people ask him how do you meditate, he says: why do you want to meditate?…

…the same way the guru is keeping you running and running after spiritual attainment. You don't know what you want. This is where Krishnamurti is so clever, because he says: if you ask me for enlightenment how can you ask me for enlightenment if you don't…

…in that way is like tossing a rock into a well, and you wait and there's no splash, and that really sets people back. Krishnamurti does that if you make a comment about somebody in his presence that is in any way adverse or critical, he gives just no…

…it in writing because people were paying attention to what he said and only then did they start embellishing it. Yeah, but Krishnamurti would argue that remembering it was already a fallacy. Well he's very pure. Alan said he was a bridge builder, that he…

…aware of in terms of external sensory experiences, in terms of so called internal feelings, internal thoughts, that is what you are. Krishnamurti puts it so beautifully when he tries to show that behind the stream of thoughts there isn't a thinker. He says…

…understand the subject, so they are all of them crutches or spectacles or gadgets to help still the mind. There are those like Krishnamurti, who won't have anything to do with them because he says: if you make your mind still, it is fake it's not…

…you are. I know more consciously than you do that I play games. It is perfectly endless. But I think that our friend Krishnamurti has always had a very powerful critique in this problem in saying that religions are divisive, even if they let's take the…

…need any god because you're it, but also you don't cling to the idea that you're it. In other words, this is why Krishnamurti makes a certain kind of attack on people who are vedantists and who believe that the human self is ultimately the divine self.…

…all this, but you find you're doing it for the wrong reason and there's no way of doing it for the right reason. See Krishnamurti does this he's a very, very clever guru. Now look there is nothing you can do to be liberated, because all your efforts…

…of these people and he's going to give you a rough time. But one of the buddhas running around these days is Krishnamurti, and Krishnamurti Absolutely destroys everybody's religion. Why do you believe this? Why are you hanging on to that? Why do you want…

…people and he's going to give you a rough time. But one of the buddhas running around these days is Krishnamurti, and Krishnamurti Absolutely destroys everybody's religion. Why do you believe this? Why are you hanging on to that? Why do you want to insist…

…water is always available to come out. It doesn't have to choose. And so you could also say that mushin is what Krishnamurti calls choicelessness. And because you see choice in this sense is not quite the same thing as decision. Choice means dithering.…

…different point of view and with a different style but essentially the same principles are being used in the philosophy of Krishnamurti, only it comes from. It comes in a very different way because although Krishnamurti is an Indian and thus we would…

…principles are being used in the philosophy of Krishnamurti, only it comes from. It comes in a very different way because although Krishnamurti is an Indian and thus we would say in the United States a Hindu, he doesn't present himself as affiliated with…

…he doesn't present himself as affiliated with any kind of religious or philosophical organization. He comes on simply as Mr Krishnamurti and he doesn't present any gimmicks, any obvious techniques, because according to his view, all these special practices are…

…all that can be used as a sort of social or cultural one upmanship, and this is a very serious obstacle. Now then Krishnamurti comes on without any bells or robes. He addresses his audience wearing gray flannel pants and a white open shirt, that's it.…

…all. Now in this manner, he absolutely exasperates people because he'll never agree with anything anybody says, if they formulate it and say Mr Krishnamurti is that what you mean? He says no no no no no no no no no no look, go into it again. Don't…

…really nothing to worry about because the important you is perfectly indestructible. It's what there is now of course, a Hindu like Krishnamurti would say: you must be very careful about beliefs like that because you may be using this idea of an eternal…

…this but you find you're doing it for the wrong reason and there's no way of doing it for the right reason. See Krishnamurti does this. He's a very, very clever guru. Krishnamurti says to people: now look, there is nothing you can do to be liberated,…

…wrong reason and there's no way of doing it for the right reason. See Krishnamurti does this. He's a very, very clever guru. Krishnamurti says to people: now look, there is nothing you can do to be liberated, because all your efforts in the direction of…

…you have no further problem. But if you try to do it, you're in the same mess all over again. So we have Krishnamurti Followers who are so busy being aware of themselves and not doing spiritual practices that they can't read any books except mystery…

…is wide open and nobody obstructing it. So we'll have an intermission. I suppose many of you are familiar with the work of Krishnamurti and you will of course recognize that there is something in common between what he says and what I've been saying to…

…between what he says and what I've been saying to you. But probably you will also notice that there's something different, because Krishnamurti is more of a purist than I am and he takes a apparently a rather negative attitude to things that are…

…and may men remain mysterious to women. But you would see that there seems to be after all I've said and after all that Krishnamurti going to church or participating in a ritual. If we didn't do those things, I think myself that life would be very much…

…mind, not intellectually respectable, because all you do when you join a church you become a divisive force force. This is where Krishnamurti is so clear and marvelous in his discussion of this problem. He shows again and again he asks people: you want to…

…of strife and disharmony. And then he puts himself in a very odd position because you can't be a disciple of Krishnamurti, you can't join anything he has no organization. And so he's surrounded with non disciples and he gets terribly frustrated because…

…but one of them is to convince you by hard work that there is no way whatsoever of getting hold of this thing. I remember Krishnamurti saying the same thing when I was having a talk with him once he was sitting on a couch and he had a couple of…

…all of a sudden knowing who in fact we are. End of quote. Of course anybody can see that that is a mixture of Zen Buddhism, Krishnamurti and so on, but it's very clearly said and in the same way a great deal of the book is sort of long lectures to…

…of people try to pretend they aren't and say well I try not to be but I guess I don't succeed all the time. And so Krishnamurti you know is a very devil because he always roots it out. He shows all the people who are very good and have the highest…

…get to the point where you learn to act without making decisions, or rather to use a more exact word, without choosing. Krishnamurti talks a great deal about being choicelessly aware and he says freedom is precisely the state of not having to choose. Now…

…And yet and yet, you know if you listen, he said he would find something in it. Did he ever discuss these experiences with Krishnamurti? He did. He told me that the very first time that he had it with Maria and Dr Osman you remember. Then he went…

…is there all the time except when he has to come back and talk a little bit. And I think that is the merit of Krishnamurti to do this speaking to people because probably he would have a much better time not to. Would you say that all this was…

…center. And he said: no center. Yes that was very strange very strange. One can feel that for him it's all so natural for Krishnamurti all this is so natural, so obvious, that it seems to him preposterous even to have to say these things. But I must…

…get to the point where you learn to act without making decisions, or rather to use a more exact word, without choosing. Krishnamurti talks a great deal about being choicelessly aware, and he says: freedom is precisely the state of not having to choose.…

…being religious gets in the way of religion. Now, does that mean on the other hand see, here's a puzzle about Krishnamurti, who explains this very carefully but his earnest disciples, which he doesn't admit that he has, can't read anything except mystery…

…of trying is itself an insidious form of trying. For example there is a very interesting Hindu Teacher by the name of Krishnamurti that many of you may know about, and he tells people you know that all their religious enquiry, their yoga practices, their…

…It's silent. When you are silent, it speaks. Now in not being able to get it you get it because this whole feeling what Krishnamurti is trying to explain to people for example, when he says: why do you ask for a method? There is no method. All methods…

…anymore. So then you begin to think: well, we will now be non seekers. Ha ha ha ha. You know like disciples of Krishnamurti who because he says he doesn't read any spiritual books. They can't read anything but mystery stories. Ha ha ha ha, you know,…