…at Ecotrust and Conservation North, who has been working tirelessly in the rainforest and protecting the rainforest for a long time. Rachel Holt, who is an expert in forest policy and also lives in the rainforest. Jean Roche, a close colleague of mine who…

…about jobs. What are we going to do? And so in the meantime, this little group, including one woman who's in Nelson, Rachel Holt, and two other um scientists and smithers got together and they said okay if if the government's not going to figure out…