…pretty problematic. Yeah, but you know what is then problematic? second part of the same statement, in the sense in which Gandhi was more violent than Hitler. It's clear that I'm not talking about killing, physical violence. I'm talking about radical change…

…of Gandhi's non-violent protest and so on was precisely to do a pretty radical change in India. But why not just say that Gandhi was more radical? I mean, aren't you sort of being deliberately provocative in your piece of work? Yes, you know why? Because…

…so on and so on. Honest Indians admit it today that the true father of independence, what is good in India, it's not Gandhi, it's Ambedkar. who was an extremely crucial figure. Let's not get lost there. What I'm just saying is this thing, to conclude…

…forward to you, no? And again, here I would like, although in the last days I heard and said many critical things about Gandhi, I would nonetheless like to finish with... One of the well-known Gandhi's motto, you must know it all, be yourself the change…

…together, we would be absolutely unbeatable. That's his dream. Ah, that's the Nietzsche that I like. Well, you are famous for saying that Gandhi was more violent than Hitler, aren't you? But I meant it in a positive sense. No, no, sorry. For me, what I…

…I was active all the time to make it sure that nothing changes. And there was something of this in Hitler. It was while Gandhi, whatever you say, and I'm very critical of Gandhi, with all his nonviolence and so on and so on, sorry, he did same things,…

…that nothing changes. And there was something of this in Hitler. It was while Gandhi, whatever you say, and I'm very critical of Gandhi, with all his nonviolence and so on and so on, sorry, he did same things, India become independent and so on and so…

…touch things, change, you have In this sense, you have violence. In this sense, for me, to make a good example, for example, Gandhi was for me, as I like to say, to provoke people more violent than Hitler, because Hitler was a coward. Gandhi, whatever…

…for example, Gandhi was for me, as I like to say, to provoke people more violent than Hitler, because Hitler was a coward. Gandhi, whatever he was, he wasn't a coward. Didi, transformation and so on and so on. Okay, the limits of this transformation is…

…claim we are servants of the people of the state, working for goodness and so on. And here what comes to my mind is... Gandhi, of whom I'm otherwise critical, but he said something right. He said, the fate of the servant is worse than that of the…

…is that The Western left will have to break this search for an authentic emancipatory subject somewhere else, far away. No, as again Gandhi said, and I'm very critical of him, how he related to caste and so on, but he said, be the change that you…

…That's why, do remember, I like to make a step at great authorities. we take as the symbol of struggle against colonialism, Gandhi. I went to check it up. You know that when Gandhi was fighting white supremacy in South Africa, my friends in India…

…great authorities. we take as the symbol of struggle against colonialism, Gandhi. I went to check it up. You know that when Gandhi was fighting white supremacy in South Africa, my friends in India gave me all the quotes. He was explicitly not fighting for…

…Badiou who pointed out that let's not dismiss masters generally. Sorry, what was Nelson Mandela is not a great master figure. What was Gandhi is not a great master figure. And I still believe that there is an authentic, I try to describe it in some of…

…necessarily mean a lot, but symbolically, yes. I read in the newspapers that now, I don't know the name, the guy who killed Mahatma Gandhi. Now he's in some Hindu circles treated as a saint. There is now a sacred place for him and so on. I mean, this…

…what shocked me, did you read the news? I think yesterday already. want to remember it, but you know the murderer of Mahatma Gandhi? You know that now he was beatified in Hindu circles. There is a monument to him. They claim he did the right thing,…

…know that now he was beatified in Hindu circles. There is a monument to him. They claim he did the right thing, that Gandhi was a traitor because although deeply religious in the Hindu sense, he always insisted on the equal rights of Muslims and so on…

…my challenge? Can you do it respecting human rights, but nonetheless efficiently? That's a big challenge. Do you know that even Gandhi wrote a very interesting text, the Gandhi I like on this. How should a new democratic India organize secret service? That…

…human rights, but nonetheless efficiently? That's a big challenge. Do you know that even Gandhi wrote a very interesting text, the Gandhi I like on this. How should a new democratic India organize secret service? That was the challenge. But no, no, no.…

…play Indian identity and a much stronger political and cultural movement for universalization, to use concrete names. It's not just the Gandhi tradition. There is also a key figure in modern India, Ambedkar, who was for universalism, who said the defeat of…

…potential for universalism. Because he was low caste, so he embraced Buddhism to reject the caste system. Yeah, you have this, while Gandhi, you know, he was here very ambiguous. He said they are all children of God. But this didn't mean let abolish…

…we take this as the key to his entire personality? And it gets very interesting. Or even a better example. Ben Kingsley. I hate Gandhi and all that bullshit. And, you know, this wise man that he plays. But did you see him in Love Beast? Where he's…

…did you see him in Love Beast? Where he's this extremely brutal, vulgar guy. What if we need these lenses to perceive even his Gandhi? Then you notice that Gandhi was not such an innocent guy and so on. And any honest Indian will tell you this. That's…

…Beast? Where he's this extremely brutal, vulgar guy. What if we need these lenses to perceive even his Gandhi? Then you notice that Gandhi was not such an innocent guy and so on. And any honest Indian will tell you this. That's why Gandhi is now losing…

…Gandhi? Then you notice that Gandhi was not such an innocent guy and so on. And any honest Indian will tell you this. That's why Gandhi is now losing terribly in India. Okay. Now, to conclude, I'm saying that if there is a writer of, I will try to be…

…offend you, sorry. If you ask God, God, why did you create me? Ah, to offend you. That's why I'm here for Ambedkar against Gandhi, I'm sorry to tell you. Because I read a lot of stuff, and listen, they convinced me. For example, do you know that…

…Gandhi, I'm sorry to tell you. Because I read a lot of stuff, and listen, they convinced me. For example, do you know that Gandhi in South Africa, Before he fought for, he fought against British domination. But my God, read his texts. I did it. How he…

…Ralph Fiennes and he laughed but I think he was a little bit uncomfortable about it he was Ben Kingsley I told him forget Gandhi I told him I like you in Love Beast you saw Love Beast where he is an extremely so ridiculously evil brutal character And…

…character And I told him, what if through the lenses of this weird guy, we approach... We approach... we approach, for example, Gandhi. And read Gandhi's biography, you will discover a whole series of very strange features of Gandhi. He was not as innocent…

…approach... we approach, for example, Gandhi. And read Gandhi's biography, you will discover a whole series of very strange features of Gandhi. He was not as innocent as, you know, incidentally, my Indian anti-Gandhi friend told me a nice detail. You know,…

…features of Gandhi. He was not as innocent as, you know, incidentally, my Indian anti-Gandhi friend told me a nice detail. You know, Gandhi was all the time to protest, making hunger strikes and so on, you know. You know which was his last hunger strike?…

…You see, we don't read this in our media. For example, the majority of the poor people and leftists there just don't mention Gandhi to them. They consider him a traitor, and I think they are right. You know what Gandhi did? Okay, he did many good…

…and leftists there just don't mention Gandhi to them. They consider him a traitor, and I think they are right. You know what Gandhi did? Okay, he did many good things, but the crucial point, caste system. Gandhi was for it. claiming the usual bulls. So…

…traitor, and I think they are right. You know what Gandhi did? Okay, he did many good things, but the crucial point, caste system. Gandhi was for it. claiming the usual bulls. So this is part of our historical tradition and so on and so on. And you…

…So this is part of our historical tradition and so on and so on. And you know where you feel this influence of Gandhi in India? I was there and I asked them, what about emancipation, equality, democracy? And they basically told me, why are you...…

…what about emancipation, equality, democracy? And they basically told me, why are you... forcing on us those imperialist Western notions, whatever. Gandhi did a very dirty trick. He didn't want to abolish castes. He just wanted to, as he put it, provide…

…The Train or what about Lenin's trip from Zurich to Petrograd you know who plays Lenin Ben Kingsley the one who plays Gandhi and then Nadezhda Krupskaya is Leslie Caron and Dominique Sanda is the mistress And it's a very good... Ines Armand. Ines Armand…

…political debates and then, by there I mean my friends, Maoist naxalic rebels and the unpunishables, the lowest, converted me against Gandhi. My hero is now Dr. Ambedkar, a much more egalitarian, one of the untouchables, who was always in conflict with…

…against Gandhi. My hero is now Dr. Ambedkar, a much more egalitarian, one of the untouchables, who was always in conflict with Gandhi. His name was the Gandhi boss, sorry to use this word, a proto-fascist. Why? Gandhi was not against cusps. In a typical…

…Dr. Ambedkar, a much more egalitarian, one of the untouchables, who was always in conflict with Gandhi. His name was the Gandhi boss, sorry to use this word, a proto-fascist. Why? Gandhi was not against cusps. In a typical proto-fascist move, Gandhi just…

…who was always in conflict with Gandhi. His name was the Gandhi boss, sorry to use this word, a proto-fascist. Why? Gandhi was not against cusps. In a typical proto-fascist move, Gandhi just said, All castes have their own dignity. Even the lowest…

…was the Gandhi boss, sorry to use this word, a proto-fascist. Why? Gandhi was not against cusps. In a typical proto-fascist move, Gandhi just said, All castes have their own dignity. Even the lowest members of the lowest caste are children of God, and so…

…buy your watch? Where did you buy your PC? What do you produce yourself? No, I mean, what do we really need? I think Gandhi was a really wonderful example of that. Gandhi is my problem. You know, you should visit India. This was the discovery of my…

…What do you produce yourself? No, I mean, what do we really need? I think Gandhi was a really wonderful example of that. Gandhi is my problem. You know, you should visit India. This was the discovery of my lifetime there. I visited the untouchables. You…

…visit India. This was the discovery of my lifetime there. I visited the untouchables. You cannot imagine how they hate Gandhi. Gandhi is strictly upper and upper middle class phenomenon. The untouchables never forgave Gandhi the way he approached the topic…

…India. This was the discovery of my lifetime there. I visited the untouchables. You cannot imagine how they hate Gandhi. Gandhi is strictly upper and upper middle class phenomenon. The untouchables never forgave Gandhi the way he approached the topic of…

…You cannot imagine how they hate Gandhi. Gandhi is strictly upper and upper middle class phenomenon. The untouchables never forgave Gandhi the way he approached the topic of the castes. It was, to put it brutally, the proto-fascist solution. Gandhi's solution…

…with something which caused me some problems in India, unfortunately. When they told me there, no, sorry, when I said there that Gandhi was more violent than Hitler. Like, are you crazy or what? Even, you know, a wonderful thing happened. I must tell you,…

…visit, a special diplomatic note came from India to Slovene Foreign Ministry, asking them... Your philosopher, Slovene citizen, claimed that Gandhi is worse than Hitler. Is this the official policy of Slovene government? I tried to convince them to answer,…

…answer, not yet, but we are just thinking on it. We will let you know what. They really didn't get it. My point is that Gandhi didn't kill anyone. More or less. But in a way, he did what Hitler was afraid to do. He really tried to stop the…

…women, in the sense of more men than men themselves, as people, you know, like Margaret Thatcher, my God, Huxley, Indira Gandhi, up to Hillary Clinton, there was something of that. Sarah Palin functions in a different way. She fully, she fully publicizes…

…the India of Brahmin cultural studies, but the India of Saroj Giri and other of my leftist friends. My India is not the India of Gandhi, but the India of Ambedkar. My India is maybe up to a point, I don't know enough of it, but even maybe the India…

…honored if I am, if I will maybe help a little bit, because I intend to write a text on loss of Manu, Ambedkar, Gandhi, and so on, all that topic. The final remark to introduce another theoretical notion, The way you introduced me, no? You know, all…

…we face is the same as... is the same as yours. And here, I think we, again, just to conclude, should return to Ambedkar, Gandhi, and so on. It's extremely important. The way I see it, now I feel a little bit stupid. I'm teaching you, but take this…

…I think... They both were probably, I never know, honest men who sincerely tried to do something for the untouchables. But what Gandhi did is nonetheless a kind of, to put it ironically, untouchable identity politics. His idea is that hierarchy is just a…

…as you said, unknown in Europe. But I will talk more tomorrow about it, about how I think he was totally right against Gandhi. What Gandhi didn't Ambedkar put it very nicely where he says, no, there are no castes without outcastes. You cannot solve the…

…unknown in Europe. But I will talk more tomorrow about it, about how I think he was totally right against Gandhi. What Gandhi didn't Ambedkar put it very nicely where he says, no, there are no castes without outcastes. You cannot solve the problem of…

…game, they presented themselves as more masculine, more tough guys than men themselves. Margaret Thatcher, the true Iron Lady, Indira Gandhi, Golda Meir, up even to a little bit, clearly Hillary Clinton has had some of these cold beaks, tougher than…

…you really touch things, change, you have... You have violence. In this sense, for me, to make a good example, for example, Gandhi was for me, as I like to say, to provoke people more violent than Hitler. Because Hitler was a coward. Gandhi, whatever…

…for example, Gandhi was for me, as I like to say, to provoke people more violent than Hitler. Because Hitler was a coward. Gandhi, whatever he was, he wasn't a coward. He really... DD, transformation, and so on and so on. Okay, the limits of this…

…with no part, with no proper place. An element out of place. A wonderful Indian politician and thinker, the great enemy of Gandhi, and I'm here on Ambedkar's side, says, as long as there are castes, there will be outcastes. You know, you never can…

…let you speak immediately. You know, I sympathize with you. Even my Indian friends are telling me that, you know the shitty movie, Gandhi? Gandhi, you saw it in the video. It's totally unfair to what you Indians like to put all the blame on Gina, no?…

…you speak immediately. You know, I sympathize with you. Even my Indian friends are telling me that, you know the shitty movie, Gandhi? Gandhi, you saw it in the video. It's totally unfair to what you Indians like to put all the blame on Gina, no? But…

…what you Indians like to put all the blame on Gina, no? But it was a much more complex game in 48, 47, where Gandhi himself... His hands are definitely not clean also. You would agree, no? Okay, sorry, let's go. Okay, yeah, I'm suddenly on the spot.…

…from India and I agree with both of you what you just said. But you know what's my problem in India? Ambedkar against Gandhi. I'm for Ambedkar, to make my position clear. You cannot agree, but... There's very interesting dynamics going on in India, but I…

…more in our society, from England after Brexit to Germany to... the unfortunate Margaret Thatcher 30 years, 20 years ago, to India, Indira Gandhi, and so on. You know, we men are more and more bullshitters. If you want job to be done in a tough way,…

…I even admire this. Did you notice that in the last decades, if you want a really tough job done, Margaret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi, you need a woman. And I like that. Even in Germany, Angela Merkel was a nice surprise. No, but I understand what you're…

…women I think that men are really maybe like if you want really I don't think Theresa May will be but you know from Indira Gandhi to Margaret Thatcher I like. My idea of power today is not the old fascist leader who shouts, you know, but a woman who…

…about and so on so uh how to do all this. You know why I, although I'm very critical of him, why I appreciate Gandhi, Mahatma? He was honest enough to confront this problem and some Indian friend sent it to me. He wrote a very interesting text of…

…of lectureship to the dictatorship. she's the bad guy. But every objective Indian historian would have told you that Nehru and especially Gandhi were not so clean in that affair. It's much more complex. But what I wanted to say is this. First, I wouldn't…

…English and got that we talk about politics. So he turned to my publisher and told me, I will show you a picture of Gandhi. Can you tell me what is your association with this picture? It was the well-known picture of late Gandhi with the big stick and…

…show you a picture of Gandhi. Can you tell me what is your association with this picture? It was the well-known picture of late Gandhi with the big stick and unique walking from one city to another. This was an ordinary guy. So I knew exactly what he…

…he wanted. Because, you know, that's big news for you. Poor, untouchable in India, they hate us. Gandhi's upper class stuff. Why? Gandhi did say to untouchables, you are also children of God. But this is a proto-fascist. Also you, the poor, for every…

…rebellion going on in India. It's ignored. Or the political struggle with which I am involved, in which I am involved there, Gandhi against Ambedkar, a more egalitarian tradition. You know, Gandhi, I have problems with Gandhi. He was a great guy. He did…

…struggle with which I am involved, in which I am involved there, Gandhi against Ambedkar, a more egalitarian tradition. You know, Gandhi, I have problems with Gandhi. He was a great guy. He did many great things. But you know, his attitude towards…

…am involved, in which I am involved there, Gandhi against Ambedkar, a more egalitarian tradition. You know, Gandhi, I have problems with Gandhi. He was a great guy. He did many great things. But you know, his attitude towards caste was, sorry, what I'm…

…from Zurich to Petersburg. It's that journey. She plays Inessa Armand, and you know who plays Lenin? Ben Kingsley, much better than Gandhi, you know, much better. No, I'm not kidding. It's a nicely done movie. You can download it for free. Now, believe me…

…wrote that the problem with Hitler was that he wasn't violent enough, no? But then I added violent in the sense that Gandhi was more violent than Hitler. Because, again, I think that Hitler's violence was purely reactive. He killed millions so that nothing…

…terrible, I warn you. If you thought that was in Sanskrit, wait for it now. He asked me, there is a well-known image of old Gandhi like this on a stick in a white tunic walking from one village to another. It's a call to the next village, the stick.…

…liberals. Ah, do you think you should have killed us all, Jews or what? But then when I add, in the sense in which Gandhi was more violent than Hitler, Then they say, oh, it's just that he's making a totally common sense point, that one thing is…

…Žižek is here using language in a way that is designed to be provocative and to confuse people. He doesn't actually mean that Gandhi was more violent than Hitler. What he means to do instead is to alter the typical understanding of the word violence. so…

…genocide. Violence for Žižek in this particular instance actually means that which causes massive social upheaval. In that way, he considers Gandhi to be more violent than Hitler. But this, like so much of what Žižek writes, is actually nothing new or…

…provocative, confusing and bizarre manner that he chooses instead of a straightforward manner. If he would have written that Gandhi accomplished more through non-violence, that aimed at systemic change than Hitler accomplished through violent means, we would all…

…such a statement. Instead, Žižek attempts to shock us, and in doing so, he covers up the completely humdrum conclusion about Gandhi and Hitler that everyone already believed to be true before they read Žižek. The same is true of Zizek's controversial point…

…system and so on and so on. And in this sense then I add that I am for violence, but in the sense in which Gandhi is more violent than Hitler. Because, again, Hitler had to kill millions because he was afraid to do a real change in the relations of…

…again, Hitler had to kill millions because he was afraid to do a real change in the relations of production, state machinery, while Gandhi at least did really try to stop the functioning of the British state and so on and so on. Nonetheless, again, you…

…a part of society with no part, with no proper place. An element a wonderful Indian politician and thinker, the great enemy of Gandhi, and I'm here on Ambedkar's side, says, as long as there are castes, there will be outcastes. You never can have a…

…way, but very vaguely, metaphorically, they were phallic women. They tried to imitate and be stronger than men, you know, like Indira Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher, and so on. Here, we have something, I think, maybe new. Here we have a woman who can be…

…impose on you or on the public a new form of terror. You know who is for me a nice example of divine violence? Gandhi. Non-violence. Of course he was for non-violence. I'm also in the sense of don't kill people. But wait a minute. What he was…

…So when people ask me, I hope this will dispel their fears, where do I see divine violence, for example, I would say, Gandhi look at Gandhi we tend to forget this today the violent aspect this maybe would be another nice example how ideology works today…

…ask me, I hope this will dispel their fears, where do I see divine violence, for example, I would say, Gandhi look at Gandhi we tend to forget this today the violent aspect this maybe would be another nice example how ideology works today many phenomena…

…been utopian today, of saying, like in a pathetic way, you know, there is no one else to do it for us, or to quote Gandhi, be yourself the change you want to see happen, like we will do it. No, they still address someone. I claim, who is this ex?…

…no? You know who developed this in a wonderful I think I mentioned him here, maybe not. The guy who was in conflict with Gandhi in India called Dr. I don't know what the other names are. He's known simply as Ambedkar in India. And he's even now not…

…known simply as Ambedkar in India. And he's even now not well-known presence there. Because he was the big opponent of Gandhi. already in around year zero, a little bit earlier, the defeat of Buddhism. You know, the Buddhist movement was overwhelmed.…

…the entire Hindu tradition, castes and so on and so on. And then he used a wonderful play of words in politics with Gandhi, who nonetheless defended a soft system of castes. He said, like, no castes without outcastes, you know, that was his formula. The…

…you already, maybe you know the story, it's not a joke, what happened to me after I made those, this morning I repeated them, Gandhi remarks in India. After I, it's not a joke, after I returned to Slovenia, a friend of mine, his wife, works at Slovene…

…the riddle was pure, dirty, incredibly dirty obscenity, which I loved, of course. He asked me, you know the best known image of Gandhi, where late Gandhi, in his almost antique robe, he, with the big stick, he walks from one village to the other, no?…

…pure, dirty, incredibly dirty obscenity, which I loved, of course. He asked me, you know the best known image of Gandhi, where late Gandhi, in his almost antique robe, he, with the big stick, he walks from one village to the other, no? What does this…

…problem with Hitler was that he was not violent enough. In what sense? Then I go on. In the sense in which Gandhi was more violent than Hitler. In what sense? Hitler's violence was pure violence of impotence. to change a little bit capitalist relations…

…whatever. It was clearly a violence. He was doing all possible things so that nothing would really change. Whatever you think about Gandhi, he really wanted to interrupt, stop the functioning of the British state in India. So this is my first point. My…

…way, but very vaguely, metaphorically, they were phallic women. They tried to imitate and be stronger than men, you know, like Indira Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher, and so on. Here, we have something, I think, maybe new. Here we have a woman who can be…