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…know about Ireland? Ireland as a country existed in the 20th century to give birth to Joyce, I don't like Joyce, but Joyce and Beckett. They both had to move outside to do it. Look at Hollywood. Who gave in the 30s, 40s the best image of despair of…
…of execution. But what I also loved about Brother Michael Brooks was that he had what Kafka, he had what Chekhov, he had what Beckett had. He had a deep sense of the comic. He had a deep sense of incongruity. And of course, Brother Zizek has that.…
…I agree with all your names, but you didn't mention, and I would support you here, frankly, I am absolutely for Beckett, but I have problems with Joyce. Joyce works so much in this pretentious, arrogant, self-reflexivity. I don't like Finnegan's way. It's…
…problems with Joyce. Joyce works so much in this pretentious, arrogant, self-reflexivity. I don't like Finnegan's way. It's too pretentious. Beckett is the great guy. Beckett was the real hero. Under the occupation of France, You know, Beckett did not play…
…works so much in this pretentious, arrogant, self-reflexivity. I don't like Finnegan's way. It's too pretentious. Beckett is the great guy. Beckett was the real hero. Under the occupation of France, You know, Beckett did not play this game like Sartre, you…
…Finnegan's way. It's too pretentious. Beckett is the great guy. Beckett was the real hero. Under the occupation of France, You know, Beckett did not play this game like Sartre, you know. Here he is. Here's our brother. Here's our brother. Beckett is a…
…France, You know, Beckett did not play this game like Sartre, you know. Here he is. Here's our brother. Here's our brother. Beckett is a minimalist and Joyce is a maximalist, but there's no Becky without Joyce. That first grade essay on Vico, that first…
…Vico, that first grade essay on Vico. literary criticism is under the influence of Joyce, so they go hand in hand. But I prefer Beckett, but I prefer Chekhov even more than Beckett, my brother. I don't know where you go on this. Ah, but you know whom…
…is under the influence of Joyce, so they go hand in hand. But I prefer Beckett, but I prefer Chekhov even more than Beckett, my brother. I don't know where you go on this. Ah, but you know whom I prefer of Russian authors? he developed, although…
…do. He's the one. He's a great one now. You're right. He's the greatest one, yeah. Well, all right, since we mentioned Beckett, this is a good transition actually because both of you often invoke the famous line from Beckett's late novella Worst Word Ho,…
…especially when it comes to the nation's Black citizens, right? But you also invoked, I went back and listened, you also invoked Beckett when you spoke with Michael in April, and you noted that Beckett's favorite word was perhaps. So this brings me to my…
…failures of which, as you have both spoken to before, are in large part what brought us Trump to begin with. And yet, to invoke Beckett, one could perhaps argue that the left did fail better this time around than we did in 2016. So I guess I want to…
…in a certain way. It's almost Bergson like Ilan V. Tao. Certain kind of movement always already. Whereas I think for Beckett, when he says the tears always already are flowing, the domination already is there, even the perhaps itself is more Kierkegaardian…
…to jump in? Okay, then I will say, but one sentence, I promise. The best answer was given. I hope we are all Beckettians. Beckett, no? There is no duality here. One is shit, the other one is good. Joyce is bad, Beckett is good. And Beckett wrote…
…we are all Beckettians. Beckett, no? There is no duality here. One is shit, the other one is good. Joyce is bad, Beckett is good. And Beckett wrote something so wonderful, I don't know where. He said, one divides into itself. That's the perfect... You…
…Beckett, no? There is no duality here. One is shit, the other one is good. Joyce is bad, Beckett is good. And Beckett wrote something so wonderful, I don't know where. He said, one divides into itself. That's the perfect... You know, Hegel is not...…
…a distance. Almost all great writers did this. Look, Joyce wrote the greatest novel about Ireland. From Trieste and then Zurich. Beckett, he even changed his language and did it in French and so on. I think that even you mentioned Borges, Argentina.…
…imminent return of revolutions, but the exhaustion of the idea, or at least the failure of revolutions. But also to go back to Beckett, that you were, his new book is called The Incontinence of the Void, that we should be reordering. So if the revolution…
…woman is a total failure for Matias and that he needs to go through all these women and these failures in order to, as Beckett would say, fail better with his love at the end. So it's a romantic story. A very short remark, very important. I can…
…there is an evolution of a character, I hope at least. But if I may draw a megalomaniac comparison with my favorite... Sam Beckett play, is it non-I or not-I, you know? Not-I. Not-I, monologue. It appears just the same, but it's a very subtle play.…
…but the death itself of that God on the cross, and not knowing that Easter Sunday is coming. You know, the terrain of Samuel Beckett, the waiting for Godot and so forth. Now, if that's true, then we might then have to revise what you said about this…
…Wake is the most arrogant book. I have almost a globalist reaction to Finnegan's Wake. It would be publicly burned. But Samuel Beckett, unnameable. You know, who is he? The... The speaker is not even a human being. It's a kind of a strange partial…
…you know. And here I come to another of my favorite writings. There are three in the 20th century, if you ask me. Beckett, Andrei Platonov and Franz Kafka, of course, no? And Platonov saw the deadlock of this techgnosticism. So it's not as confused a…
…in the singularity and that it's the thing that eludes it? Why does it matter? And you give us the example of Beckett, Samuel Beckett. I wonder why he helps us. My favorite writer, incidentally. Because I think, again, that this dimension of failure is,…
…singularity and that it's the thing that eludes it? Why does it matter? And you give us the example of Beckett, Samuel Beckett. I wonder why he helps us. My favorite writer, incidentally. Because I think, again, that this dimension of failure is, is…
…with sexuality it's the same. It's how to organize your failure. And you know what? One of the most famous lines of Samuel Beckett, try again, fail again, fail better. Do you know that when he was young as a psychologist, Beckett, the real Beckett, was…
…most famous lines of Samuel Beckett, try again, fail again, fail better. Do you know that when he was young as a psychologist, Beckett, the real Beckett, was doing some work as helping adolescents in sexual troubles and so on. So I always try to imagine…
…of Samuel Beckett, try again, fail again, fail better. Do you know that when he was young as a psychologist, Beckett, the real Beckett, was doing some work as helping adolescents in sexual troubles and so on. So I always try to imagine how he got an…
…friends that we can talk like this and still be friends. And I can go pretty far here since we are talking today about Beckett. I think maybe I went just a little bit too far. You remember, he is now happily married, recently with a wife, Eve, who…
…went just a little bit too far. You remember, he is now happily married, recently with a wife, Eve, who is a specialist in Beckett. And, sorry, it's my nature. You know, it's like the Scorpio who bites the frog. I couldn't resist it. I told him, I…
…him, I know what your wife told you after you spent the first night together. You know what? The most famous line from Beckett. Try again, fail again, fail better. Sorry, that's the price of being associated to me. But... What I really want to say is…
…But, okay, let's now, in the remaining time, sorry, because I drag on, no? And I almost forget to, we didn't yet come to Beckett, no? No. But it's already one hour and I almost wanted to say maybe the title of this talk should have been a version…
…of course, Lenin is in Warsaw. That's why he's doing this here. So maybe I can say this title is like something like, you know, Beckett is in Warsaw, so I cannot mention him, but it's still the title. Now comes, if you allow me just a little bit, I…
…The best historical background, you still get it from the work of, again, one of my three big writers of 20th century, Beckett, Kafka, and Andrei Platonov, who described in detail their way of life and elaborated a kind of, again, materialist ontology of…
…It's Cartesian cogito. Beckett's model was this one. And I think this is maybe what will happen if we enter singularity. Beckett says somewhere... Descartes has this pure cogito, you don't know if it's a vision, hallucination, dream, then, fuck him, God…
…in this pure hallucination. And even at this level, I hope I will pronounce the name correctly, with cogito, no, in Beckett, the unnameable, has then two incarnations. I will pronounce it correctly, I don't know. Mahud and Worm. Mahud is this, like,…
…I would have said that here I even... disagree with those big poets or religious figures. For example, I was just rereading Beckett, and I found I'm a cheap guy. I put into Google Beckett important quotes, sayings to bluff. And one is always appearing…
…poets or religious figures. For example, I was just rereading Beckett, and I found I'm a cheap guy. I put into Google Beckett important quotes, sayings to bluff. And one is always appearing there, a quote which says something like... every word, speech, is…
…every word, speech, is just a stain on silence and so on, as if silence is what we are aiming at. No, what Beckett doesn't see is that this silence is constituted only by the failure of speech. There is no silence proper without speech. The silence…
…Oh, Joyce, you can read it for hundreds of years and so on and so on. That's why I hate Joyce and I prefer Beckett. But that's another story. I mean, I would very much like to go. I'm sorry. Okay. Left-wingers again. I'm not going to pretend I…
…I will try... Oh my God, the time is running. Okay, I will condense it. So at least that I will finish with the word Beckett or whatever. Thank you. Okay, sorry. Let me go on. Let me go on. Nonetheless, I will try to condense it. I got lost. Okay.…
…me, just seriously, the finale. I will try to be very brief. The great writer of this type of violent abstraction is Samuel Beckett. what Beckett does is, on the one hand, it's worth reading it. I mean, I'm really a partisan here. For me, I'm sorry…
…seriously, the finale. I will try to be very brief. The great writer of this type of violent abstraction is Samuel Beckett. what Beckett does is, on the one hand, it's worth reading it. I mean, I'm really a partisan here. For me, I'm sorry to disappoint…
…people will have to... And I know I'm going here against Lacan. Okay, but let me convince you what I like about Beckett. For a partisan of standard Marxist notion of concrete analysis... The idea is Beckett is very anti-Marxist. He always abstracts from a…
…convince you what I like about Beckett. For a partisan of standard Marxist notion of concrete analysis... The idea is Beckett is very anti-Marxist. He always abstracts from a concrete situation. But this abstraction is always inscribed into a concrete…
…the details? You know, okay, but let's not lose time. Let's be a little bit more serious. To disappoint you, today the topic is Beckett abstraction and so on. And if you want all that multiple or sex absolute, you get it on Wednesday. It will be a…
…have to do this unpleasant... Impolite gesture. I saw it now there. Okay. Now I will do second part and then Brecht. Sorry, Beckett, who is my real hero. You know, I developed it in a text, was it the one which was finally published by, digitally,…
…know, I developed it in a text, was it the one which was finally published by, digitally, by independents. I found in Beckett the most wonderful formula you can imagine. He said that something always ultimately divides into itself. I think this is the…
…that you can get the whole line of argumentation. So we don't have time for it now. Let me just quickly come to Beckett. Beckett is for me the great writer of abstraction, of this positive character of abstraction. Why? I recently read a wonderful book…
…you can get the whole line of argumentation. So we don't have time for it now. Let me just quickly come to Beckett. Beckett is for me the great writer of abstraction, of this positive character of abstraction. Why? I recently read a wonderful book on on…
…and so on, that the only language of equality that you get is image. And I think also great writers, okay, more Beckett than Joyce, experienced this to be, I claim, against a certain misreading of Martin Heidegger, you know, authentic, you must listen to…
…country, Your Muttersprache, your original and authentic, you must somehow betray it. I think one should write a doctor's thesis on why Beckett, to become Beckett, had to move from English. crucial. I always think that the best thing for a writer, at least…
…your original and authentic, you must somehow betray it. I think one should write a doctor's thesis on why Beckett, to become Beckett, had to move from English. crucial. I always think that the best thing for a writer, at least today, is to write…
…promotion of publicity and so on. In my new book which just came out, Incontinence of the Void, it's not obscene, it's Sam Beckett from whom I took this, Alenka Zupanchi in her wonderful book which is doing very well, What is Sex? And then... Mladen…
…not explain it to everyone, would know that I'm kidding. I was referring to, you know, one of the best known statements of Samuel Beckett. After you fail, no? Go on, try again, fail again, fail better. Okay, as a pure bad taste joke, I claim that I…
…Go on, try again, fail again, fail better. Okay, as a pure bad taste joke, I claim that I read a new biography of Beckett where it is proven that when he was young and unemployed in his 30s, he worked as a social psychologist, specialized in sexual…
…I thought it's an obvious bad taste, okay, maybe a bad joke, irony. No, somebody attacked me, you didn't verify it, you are lying, Beckett didn't say that, and so on. In what society are we living, I mean? You know what I mean? Okay, but let's drop…
…spreading out quality. And okay, if you have these two big modernist authors, on the one hand James Joyce, on the other hand Beckett, You know, that Joyce was always adding, he's exuberant. This is like a Slavoj style. I think a style is the style of…
…please, first. Okay, thank you. Thank you all for coming here. Yeah, I couldn't help noticing when you made this Joyce Beckett comparison that actually the title of Slavik's book nevertheless comes from Beckett. No, I don't know, just to say a couple…
…Yeah, I couldn't help noticing when you made this Joyce Beckett comparison that actually the title of Slavik's book nevertheless comes from Beckett. No, I don't know, just to say a couple of things to what you opened as a discussion, perhaps starting from…
…we have to learn a lot. It was a tragic twist. Maybe it was inevitable. But to finish, nonetheless, again with you, with Beckett, you know, like, the lesson with Stalinism is try again fail again fail better this is definitely not the lesson what we…
…back to Lenin of early Leninism is for me and seems for me one of the three mega guys of 20th century literature it's Beckett, not Joyce Joyce was laughing Samuel Beckett Kafka and Andrei Platonov he's mega and I think that the great interest of his to…
…me and seems for me one of the three mega guys of 20th century literature it's Beckett, not Joyce Joyce was laughing Samuel Beckett Kafka and Andrei Platonov he's mega and I think that the great interest of his to meet is that they already clearly see…
…will find may be more interesting doing a little bit of propaganda in this book. It has an obscene title, but it's from Beckett. Incontinence of the Void. You know that he said, late Beckett's play, a very tragic one, an old senile lady is dying, and…
…This exactly is the focus of my next book. Thank you. The incontinence of the void. It's not obscene. It's a quote from Samuel Beckett, where I try precisely to do what you indicated, and I agree this is crucial for me. Not to get involved just in…
…thinking? Because, you know, I also have another book in print now. It's an obscene title, Incontinence of the Void. Ah, it's Beckett, you know. In his well-said, well-thought, there is a dying old lady, and he mentions the term incontinent, void, and so…
…you know what the story is about, the premise of the series. Richard Kastler, best-selling detective writer, collaborates with Kate Beckett, a New York Police Department homicide detective, in solving various murder cases in New York City. Beckett is initially…
…collaborates with Kate Beckett, a New York Police Department homicide detective, in solving various murder cases in New York City. Beckett is initially infuriated at the thought of working with a writer, but the two, of course, soon start developing feelings…
…impossible to continue as one did before To now truly end, I want to quote just like a wonderfully fatalistic line by Samuel Beckett. At one point, he comes up with a, I think, quite comic description of a problem. I quote, It's because there is…
…the beginning over and over again are not doomed end of quote this is maybe Lenin at his Beckettian referring to Samuel Beckett best echoing the line from Beckett's worst word go try again fail again fail better Lenin's conclusion to begin from the…
…with refugees is not we pick up the good guys, you know, those who are almost like us. Look, they read Joyce, oh my God, and Beckett, and so on. No, what about those who didn't read it, and so on, and so on. That's why I also don't like, and this…
…term. My good friend Frank Ruda, the best maybe young German philosopher, recently got a new girlfriend who is a specialist in Beckett. And I told Frank Ruda, I know what your girlfriend told you after you spent the first night together. Try again, fail…
…Hegelian leap and You're saying that we shouldn't fantasize any radical, positive organizational strategies? No, I didn't say this. I said, like Beckett, we should do it, but we should be aware that it's open, that we don't know where we are going. Marx…
…arguably the greatest, for me at least, Russian writer of 20th century, Andrei Platonov. He's really, I think, together with Beckett, Kafka, Platonov, these are the three great ones. In his wonderful short stories from the 20s, sexuality is always presented…
…say this about radical intellectuals, that Joyce often wants to be too bright for his own good, you know? My hero is Beckett. Beckett who, you know, this mega, you know, like he wants to match Finnegan's Wake, all languages, everything, and it's, I…
…this about radical intellectuals, that Joyce often wants to be too bright for his own good, you know? My hero is Beckett. Beckett who, you know, this mega, you know, like he wants to match Finnegan's Wake, all languages, everything, and it's, I suspect,…
…think that the left is way too much in love with this poetry of failure. You know, we fail, it's like false reference to Beckett. We fail, but we fail better and better and so on. What we should focus on are the results left behind. our failures. In…
…Now, to conclude, I'm saying that if there is a writer of, I will try to be as short as possible, of abstraction, it's Beckett. Because on the one hand, Beckett is not abstract in the sense, in the way he is perceived as abstract, you know, like with…
…there is a writer of, I will try to be as short as possible, of abstraction, it's Beckett. Because on the one hand, Beckett is not abstract in the sense, in the way he is perceived as abstract, you know, like with some abstract existential problems out…
…and so on. Years ago, A lady called Emily Morang. wrote a wonderful book, I think even in the 90s, on Beckett and politics. And she convincingly demonstrates how Beckett's entire work is penetrated through and through by political context, references, and…
…from prisons to be repatriated, whatever. And This is the background of Malone dies. But now comes the genius of Beckett. What he does cannot but appear to a traditional Marxist as mystification. Like instead of depicting a concrete historical situation,…
…if you would agree that she is, I'm sorry of disturbing you, you are probably thinking about more pleasant things, is that Beckett is in this sense a platonic person. Instead of going deeply into historical context, he, in a Platonic sense, abstracts from…
…the form of it, which is relatively independent from context. That's why... And, you know, if you want the obvious example of Beckett and abstraction, it's, of course, what is for me his single greatest play, the short one, Not I, where even it's like…
…I, where even it's like I claim a stage version of Unnameable, where even subjective identity is reduced to a mouth. But Beckett, at his most subversive, is in one of his even later short plays called called Catastrophe, and it's such an evil, wonderful…
…we not in some sense also participating in the same idea? in the same process. You know, it's this movement of abstraction in Beckett which is, I think, today actual more than ever. These are questions to be raised today. In what sense, for example, this…
…I have much more. It will all be in my next book, because I was always convinced that, again, Sorry to disappoint you, Beckett is the one, not Joyce. Joyce is boring, bluffing, and so on. Finnegan Swake is, my God, what an arrogance to give something…
…to give something to do to literary analysts, what did he say, for 400 years, and so on. No, I am all for Beckett. I think there are three great writers of the 20th century in Europe. Beckett... Kafka and Andrei Platonov, the Russian. And they all…
…years, and so on. No, I am all for Beckett. I think there are three great writers of the 20th century in Europe. Beckett... Kafka and Andrei Platonov, the Russian. And they all move at this same level. But to really conclude now, this is connected to…
…I'm very sorry, but I recently read a book which was already written by Emily Morin, yes, is the lady, about Beckett and politics. And he conclusively demonstrates how Beckett was extremely grounded in a historical experience. For example, Malone dies. It's…
…which was already written by Emily Morin, yes, is the lady, about Beckett and politics. And he conclusively demonstrates how Beckett was extremely grounded in a historical experience. For example, Malone dies. It's full of implicit references to a specific…
…of the World War II when all those refugees, wartime prisoners were returning, all that situation and so on. And back at... But Beckett abstracts from it to a kind of almost, I would say, from all this idea of homeless, refugees, the way they are…
…the, not the hero, the victim, the guy who is brutally interrogated, just raises his head and looks at us, And Beckett explicitly said that's the ultimate image, that with many of these humanitarian events, solidarity with victims, performances for the same…
…with many of these humanitarian events, solidarity with victims, performances for the same basic terror structure is reproduced. This is Beckett at heart. His greatest. He does not... He goes a step further into abstraction. Again, it's not just this rather…
…of it. It's a totally displaced sympathy and so on. It's a nightmare. It embodies, again, everything that is false. So... More Beckett. And to apologize myself, of course I exaggerated. But nonetheless, the Beckett that I really like is, if you ask me,…
…It embodies, again, everything that is false. So... More Beckett. And to apologize myself, of course I exaggerated. But nonetheless, the Beckett that I really like is, if you ask me, Dubliners and Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man. Those theological…
…for loving Joyce. Thank you very much for your kindness. Thanks, Slavoj. I was kind of disappointed that you actually did get to Beckett at the end, because I thought he was going to be in the reel, we can't approach it. Getting to Beckett would have…
…get to Beckett at the end, because I thought he was going to be in the reel, we can't approach it. Getting to Beckett would have been a little bit too obvious Lacanian structure. You know, sorry, I have to repeat, I'm sorry, you provoked me. Another…
…where is Lenin here? And the guide calmly answers, Lenin is in Warsaw, no? That's why she can do this here. So I would say Beckett, yes, like Beckett is in Warsaw, you know, and we can talk about it here. Sorry, yeah. Okay, we do have some time for…
…here? And the guide calmly answers, Lenin is in Warsaw, no? That's why she can do this here. So I would say Beckett, yes, like Beckett is in Warsaw, you know, and we can talk about it here. Sorry, yeah. Okay, we do have some time for a few questions.…
…is for me the great writer of abstraction, of this positive character of abstraction. Why? I recently read a wonderful book on on Beckett, maybe you know the name, Emily Morin, 10 years old book, Beckett and Politics. It was given to me, a pirated copy,…
…character of abstraction. Why? I recently read a wonderful book on on Beckett, maybe you know the name, Emily Morin, 10 years old book, Beckett and Politics. It was given to me, a pirated copy, of course. What I like in this book is that on the one…
…What I like in this book is that on the one hand, it demonstrates very convincingly how all work of Beckett is totally impregnated, penetrated by political references. For example, his great post-World War II novels, exemplarily Malone Dies. You cannot…
…so on and so on. And, okay, I will not give you all the examples, but now comes the crucial point. What Beckett does is that... Although, again, you learn a lot if you simply get this thick background, which is incidentally incredibly interesting. For…
…lot if you simply get this thick background, which is incidentally incredibly interesting. For example, do you know how much Beckett was throughout the 50s involved in black anti-racist struggle and so on? It's incredible. But nonetheless... It would be wrong…
…so on? It's incredible. But nonetheless... It would be wrong to apply mechanically a pseudo-Marxist rule and claim, yes, but doesn't Beckett mystify it? Instead of giving a clear report of a specific situation, Western Europe, the confusion after the end of…
…this is Beckett's strength, that the truth is not this false concrete. When you make an abstraction like this, Beckett is a materialist Platonist. From all these concrete experiences, refugees, prisons, during Vichy, terror and Nazi occupation of France,…
…experiences, refugees, prisons, during Vichy, terror and Nazi occupation of France, confusion afterwards, and so on and so on, he, Beckett, abstracts the almost Platonic idea of homeless horror or whatever. And that's now the key point. This is not a…
…Mehmet, with even Harold Pinter playing the director. It's a catastrophe. A short, late play, dedicated to Vaclav Havel, but Beckett is more tricky, intelligent here. You know, Havel was condemned in Czechoslovakia by the communist regime, and then There was…
…was a big festival, whatever, a celebration in the West, celebrating Havel. And you know what happens in this play, which Beckett wrote for this occasion? Beckett begins with what describes as a tough interrogation of an actor. There are just three persons,…
…a celebration in the West, celebrating Havel. And you know what happens in this play, which Beckett wrote for this occasion? Beckett begins with what describes as a tough interrogation of an actor. There are just three persons, I think. Director, actor, and…
…is to repeat the very thing that you can that you are apparently condemning through staging it in a certain way. Beckett explicitly made this point, where he said that the ultimate target is neither the terror of theater practice nor police interrogation…
…will do it. If you want, again, three things, just to see this. If you want to get, because I'm now writing something on Beckett. I'm always a little bit retarded in delay. But I like to read Beckett. Three things I propose you to read by Beckett.…
…want to get, because I'm now writing something on Beckett. I'm always a little bit retarded in delay. But I like to read Beckett. Three things I propose you to read by Beckett. Okay, unnameable is the greatest, but it's almost too sublime, I cannot. It's…
…Beckett. I'm always a little bit retarded in delay. But I like to read Beckett. Three things I propose you to read by Beckett. Okay, unnameable is the greatest, but it's almost too sublime, I cannot. It's Malone Dice. And already, do you know the title?…
…whatever. You take out one element, you abstract it, And from this standpoint you see all in a new way, in this sense another Beckett, I hope we all agree, maybe the greatest, not I, where you have an even more brutal abstraction to the I, sorry, to…
…the greatest, not I, where you have an even more brutal abstraction to the I, sorry, to the mouth. Mouth alone speaks, and Beckett has good taste, if I remember it correctly, although there is also a TV version with Julianne Moore and so on. But you…
…void. No, the woman is, I would even say... you know what's the irony of that title, which, as you know, is from Beckett, no? Incontinence of the Void. With Alenka Zupanchich, we made this joke, because our books appeared almost at the same time, that…