…favorite theologians at the moment. Yeah, John actually knows David Bentley Hart. And behind me, the blue set collection is actually Thomas Aquinas. So you're hitting people that we have mutual interests in. So just to sort of pivot into the topic of…

…of heard you map out this trajectory of human thought perspective, going back, you went all the way to Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas and Descartes and then to Richard Dawkins and sort of modern day philosophers and atheists. Yes. Oh, that's a very good…

…is so. But that's just one example of a revelation that came my way. Another is, of course, Rupert's response to Thomas Aquinas, a 13th century theologian who wrote extensively about angels and was a genius without any question. But Rupert says that if…

…not map onto the rest of the universe. However, The traditional view, for example in medieval theology, in say someone like Thomas Aquinas, is that our minds have a unique ability to map onto and understand the universe because they and the universe have…