…all the laws of nature were completely fixed at the moment of the Big Bang like a cosmic Napoleonic code. As my friend Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And the…

…these dogmas is so much more interesting, so much more fun, and so much more liberating. Did you drink ayahuasca with Terence McKenna? No, I didn't actually. I've done other things with Terence McKenna. My hope is that the time will come when scientists…

…and so much more liberating. Did you drink ayahuasca with Terence McKenna? No, I didn't actually. I've done other things with Terence McKenna. My hope is that the time will come when scientists feel free to talk about what really interests them. Welcome…

…a lot more going on than that. He used to hang with one of my favorite orators of all time, which is the bard named Terence McKenna. And if you're not familiar with his work, he was a gentleman that used to speak a lot in the 80s and 90s in…

…the way that they affect the world that we live in. And it's something I always listen to. Post psychedelic trip is Terence McKenna. I find a couple hours after your experience. It's amazing to listen to Terrence, and you'll pick up things that you never…

…used to talk for 10, 20 hours at a time. when they were in California, and he tells a really funny story about meeting Terence McKenna for the first time, and he had been given directions, and he said an old Cadillac rolled up next to him, and a…

…him, and a voice came out of the driver's seat, and it said, Mr. Sheldrake, I presume? And that's a really horrible Terence McKenna impression I'm doing there. But you get the idea. And if you thought all the interesting things about Rupert would stop…

…little bit of a giddy mood that day, and I said, I said, so Rupert, The real question is, did you ever drink ayahuasca with Terence McKenna? And you can just wait, I think it's about 30 minutes, and you can find out his answer. But it was one of the…

…the Big Crunch. Speaking of the Big Bang, there's a video called Metamorphosis online. where Dr. Sheldrake is sitting next to Terence McKenna. And yeah, that's a wow right away. And then McKenna says, if you're willing to believe in the Big Bang Theory,…

…video called Metamorphosis online. where Dr. Sheldrake is sitting next to Terence McKenna. And yeah, that's a wow right away. And then McKenna says, if you're willing to believe in the Big Bang Theory, he's like, there's not much that you're not willing to…

…think this the world of science is full of this kind of underground discussions. There's lots of people who listen to Terence McKenna in the scientific world who take psychedelics, but they wouldn't ever mention it to their colleagues. So here's the real…

…but they wouldn't ever mention it to their colleagues. So here's the real question, Rupert. Did you drink ayahuasca with Terence McKenna? No, I didn't actually. I've done other things with Terence McKenna, but not ayahuasca. I did visit Terence McKenna's…

…the real question, Rupert. Did you drink ayahuasca with Terence McKenna? No, I didn't actually. I've done other things with Terence McKenna, but not ayahuasca. I did visit Terence McKenna's ayahuasca plantation in Hawaii. He was growing it? Yes. He grew…

…mile on a four-wheel drive up the side of a volcano in Hawaii. It was called Botanical Dimensions. LAUGHTER Is that your McKenna accent? That's correct. But here's the real question. I want to hear more about Terrence. Can you tell us more about Terrence…

…talking. So I listened on a Walkman on the bus journey, on the Greyhound bus journey to Santa Rosa, to this Terence McKenna tape where he's talking about DMT dimethyltryptamine and its effects on consciousness. So I'd never heard anything like this before…

…Randi. He's a conjurer. Okay. And so my question, Brian, is if there's guys like this out there, right, and Terence McKenna and the chaos mathematician... and countless others of his intelligence who have such incredible brains and they're unable to prove…

…at an earlier age. That's very interesting. Why is it that India has been such a huge influence on people like you and McKenna and Ralph? I've never been there and I just wonder what, you obviously immersed yourself in there, what does it do to you…

…India and rural India than I am in sort of modern call center traffic jam cities. Polluted air India. Okay. Do you miss Terrence McKenna? And what do you think he would be talking about today if he were alive? today is All Souls Day, I mean while…

…there was clearly no conservation of matter and energy. Instead, all was created in the singularity of the Big Bang. As Terence McKenna put it, Give me one free miracle, and from there the whole thing can proceed with seamless causal explanation. The one…

…being suddenly in the Big Bang and it's remained the same in quantity ever since, governed by the same laws. As my friend Terence McKenna used to say, And modern science is based on the principle of give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest.…

…these needs for us. Right. Like telephones. Exactly. We lose the skill. In fact, an old friend of yours and colleague, Terence McKenna, posited a time some 100,000 years ago or so in human civilization civilization too, where men and women were at parity…

…drugs and finding out more about the nature of the mind from within. Later in the 1980s, I became friends with Terence McKenna and Ralph Abraham, who I met in California. Terence was a great visionary, an expert on psychedelic shamanism. Ralph was and…

…their homes and so on. So, When people are having psychedelic experiences, one of the things that my friend Terence McKenna was very interested in was people's encounters with entities. They encountered beings. Terence talked about encountering what he called…

…now. is having this socially transformative effect. Thank you Rupert. Our next question is from Amutse and he asks, you mentioned Terence McKenna, he said about the current situation of our society and about our point in history as a whole that we are…

…Or you might say, well, they all came into being at the very instant of the Big Bang. Possible. But as my friend Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And the one…

…and all the laws that govern it suddenly appeared and have governed it ever since in exactly the same way. As my friend Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And the…

…a kind of cosmic Napoleonic code, perfectly formulated from the outset, springing from nowhere in a single moment. As my friend Terence McKenna has said, present modern science is based on the principle of give us one free miracle and we'll explain the…

…Abraham, who's one of the Santa Cruz chaos people. And he and I have done a book together on this with Terence McKenna, the psychedelic shamanism chap. It's called Trilogues at the Edge of the West. And we discussed how these things might interrelate.…

…as they were at the moment of the Big Bang when they all suddenly appeared like a kind of cosmic Napoleonic code. As Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And the one…

…Nature, in 1988. The Rebirth of Nature, 1990. Seven Experiments that Could Change the World, 1994. Together with Ralph Abraham and Terence McKenna, Thinking on the Edge of the Unthinkable. And together with Matthew Fox, The Soul is a Field, and Angel, the…

…came into being, then they think they all came into being fully formed at the moment of the Big Bang. As my friend Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And the one…

…the same since the moment of the Big Bang when all the matter and energy in the universe suddenly appeared. As my friend Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And the…

…years ago called Is This Unconscious? Panpsychist paper. I've been talking about this for years. I used to discuss it with my friend Terence McKenna and ralph abraham and matthew fox and i you know sort of talked about this for a long time um but then…

…Or you might say, well, they all came into being at the very instant of the Big Bang. Possible. But as my friend Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And the one…

…Institute in California got very interested in it. Then I met people who I had a great time discussing it with, like Terence McKenna and Ralph Abraham. They became very close friends and we had conversations every year trying out this and other ideas. So…

…as they were at the moment of the Big Bang when they all suddenly appeared like a kind of cosmic Napoleonic code. As Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. The one…

…science. And science is actually based on this implicit philosophy. In fact, modern science is based on an idea that my friend Terence McKenna used to say, that it's based on the idea of give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And the…

…moment of the Big Bang, all the laws must have been fixed because the laws of nature are fixed. So, as my friend Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And the one…

…Dahmer, who's working on a very interesting hypothesis. Yeah, I know him. You know him, yeah. He was good friends with Terence McKenna, who you were also good friends with, so there's a connection there. So let's talk about Whitehead. Just so you know,…

…quarters of the way through it. And it's very well written. Mycology is a science that I was introduced to by Terence McKenna, actually, from a different perspective. But yeah, remind me, what's the title of it? Entangled life. Entangled life, right. Yes.…

…the collective unconscious, on influences from other minds. And with psychedelic experiences and with dreams, I think what my friend Terence McKenna said is very relevant. They're made of mind, but they're not necessarily made of our mind. There's some mental…

…there, archives of discussions and dialogues. There's a dialogue section, audio section, where I have over 30 dialogues, trialogues, with Terence McKenna and Ralph Abraham. Both sadly no longer with us. But a whole lot of other dialogues. I have a YouTube…

…done some absolutely amazing, radical work. thinking, which is very rare. I've been a fan of people like Dr. Rupert Sheldrake, Terence McKenna. So it's been an absolute pleasure to talk to a great mind like Dr. Rupert Sheldrake, one of the best scientists…

…patience, Rupert. Rupert Sheldrake, ladies and gentlemen. I came to know of you through the trialogues that you did with Terrence McKenna, who I'm a huge fan of, and Ralph Abraham. And I thought they were some really fascinating conversations. You know, all…

…about DMT and the opening that it can give. I mean, I had the great advantage of taking it for the first time with Terence McKenna. And he said, do you want to check this out? And I said, okay. That's pretty cool on the resume, by the way. First…

…this out? And I said, okay. That's pretty cool on the resume, by the way. First time you did DMT, did it with Terence McKenna? Yes. Okay. i won't say where or when because it could be put down on some record somewhere that's probably already there…

…was the source of cattle worship like Choctaw and all these ancient civilizations that worship cattle and this connection that McKenna made with those people worshiping the cattle because the cattle didn't just provide life and food because they had milk…

…trip. And I wonder if it was some sort of a combinatory experience. Possibly. But that was another thing that McKenna speculated about, whether it was variable genetically, variable seasonally, variable as far as like geographically. Yes. And whether it's…

…that everybody's talking about right now. Absolutely. So I started at low doses, went to very high doses, which Rupert's friend Terence McKenna used to call heroic doses and then beyond that because it turned out I have a very hard head. You know,…

…energy in the universe suddenly appeared from nowhere at the moment of the Big Bang. It's the one free miracle principle that Terence McKenna used to refer to. Modern science is based on the principle of one free miracle, the appearance of all the matter…

…why so many people have false impressions about AI. We also get into his long close friendship with the legendary Terence McKenna. Finally, we even get into one of his trippiest but less well-known books, The Physics of Angels, which explores traditional…

…His interest in science is, as he says in that book himself, obviously influenced by my own. And you were friends with Terence McKenna. You were fairly close with him, right? Oh, very close, yes. And so I think fungi are so interesting, and this is…

…with him, right? Oh, very close, yes. And so I think fungi are so interesting, and this is really me ripping off McKenna here. But I think they're really interesting because of how similar they are to humans. So they're really bioavailable. Humans are…

…to fungal disease. Everybody has a microbiome associated with their microbiome. And he was having some two-week trip in the Amazon, McKenna. And he said that the mushroom spoke to him. And I think it's called The Song of the Mushroom or something.…

…that in his book, of course, the fungi taking over minds and to what degree they affect our minds. And I think Terence McKenna was a factor in Merlin's development. I mean, after all, Terence was one of my really good friends. Whenever he was in…

…It's quarter to nine here in Britain at night. All right. All right. That's almost something I need to ask. How's Terence McKenna? Outside of transition out of his physical form in this moment, but what was your relationship to Terence McKenna and how…

…to ask. How's Terence McKenna? Outside of transition out of his physical form in this moment, but what was your relationship to Terence McKenna and how is he as a person? Well, I loved Terence. I had a wonderful time with Terence. And funnily enough,…

…just been clearing and decluttering my filing cabinets. And so just in the last few days, I found a whole cache of letters from Terence McKenna. So he's very much been in my mind in the last few days. And one of the letters I found was in 1995. He,…

…I have my books, of course, nine books written just by me and six co-authored, two of them co-authored with Terence McKenna and Ralph Abraham. So there's plenty of material there for anyone who's interested. And whatever means people like. YouTube's audio,…

…all the laws of nature were completely fixed at the moment of the Big Bang like a cosmic Napoleonic code. As my friend Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And the…

…in the universe is always the same, at least since the Big Bang when it all suddenly came into being. As my friend Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And the one…

…ask you as well, Rupert, when I was researching for this interview, I came across some of the trialogues you did with Terence McKenna and Ralph Abraham. Could you maybe tell us about your friendship with Terence McKenna and maybe the impact he had on you…

…I came across some of the trialogues you did with Terence McKenna and Ralph Abraham. Could you maybe tell us about your friendship with Terence McKenna and maybe the impact he had on you as a person as well? I first met Terence in 1982 when I was on…

…in America, in California, so I'd gone there for the book launch. And a friend said, there's this guy you must meet, Terence McKenna, so he arranged a meeting and I took a bus and I met Terence as arranged. And Ralph Abraham, the chaos mathematician,…

…energy in the universe suddenly appeared at the moment of the Big Bang, along with all the laws of nature. As my friend Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. The one…

…my own experience. It's also a testable hypothesis. I was once at a symposium at Esalen, at the Esalen Institute, with Terence McKenna and Sasha Shorgin and a whole range of other people. It was called Psychedelics and the Observer Effect. And Terence…

…McKenna and Sasha Shorgin and a whole range of other people. It was called Psychedelics and the Observer Effect. And Terence McKenna was talking about what he called hands-on pharmacology. And we were discussing designer drugs with Sasha Shorgin, who was the…

…somehow coming into being with all the matter and energy of the universe at the moment of the Big Bang. As my friend Terence McKenna liked to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And the…

…and now of course as Terence knows full well but some of you may not the rave scene in Britain has discovered Terence McKenna So there's this other direction, all normal kinds of means of hope and action have been blocked. And what's happening is an…

…in with the way people live. I don't think that a purely, the asset house scene at the moment is based on the Terence McKenna model. It's the anarchic model. And we'll see what happens. But I myself don't think it's likely to have any big or enduring…

…Bang, like some kind of Napoleonic code? How come the eternal laws in an evolving universe were already there? As my friend Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And…

…I would say, a naive assumption. And when scientists think about that, Well, they don't think about it really. As my friend Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And…

…energy is always the same, except at the moment of the Big Bang when it all suddenly appeared from nowhere. As my friend Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And the…

…the common vision of Lilliputians, little people, elves, goblins, fairies, and whatever. And we see that in the West, before Terence McKenna and that lot, beginning of the 20th century. We also see it interestingly in the Amerindian cosmologies, which use…

…Yes. Thank you. For those who haven't seen them, I did a long series of trilogues with two very good friends. Terence McKenna, who was an explorer of psychedelic shamanism. And Ralph Abraham, who is a chaos mathematician from the University of California…

…of a visionary realm, then They may be connecting with forms of consciousness beyond their own. One of the things my friend Terence McKenna said of psychedelic experiences, he said, they are made of mind, but they are not made of my mind. In other words,…

…all the laws of nature were completely fixed at the moment of the Big Bang like a cosmic Napoleonic code. As my friend Terence McKenna used to say, modern science is based on the principle, give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest. And the…