Nice to see you again. Hello. Hello, Oliver. Hello. I want to talk to you about Hampstead Heath sometime. I understand our nannies both took us for walks on the street. What? Is that something about class background? I played on Queen's Boulevard. A tree…

…going to put that aside and be grown-ups. We're going to continue to think about those things that fascinated us when we were children. Oliver, you said in New York When I'm at a conference, I would like to know the form of passion in my fellows at…

…which we are now in a position thank god to to to get away from but At the moment, I ask, for instance, Oliver or Dan, is nature non-moral, not amoral, non-moral? Which nature? The nature that includes humanity or the nature that excludes humanity? No,…

…conscious is that we are the evolved products that had to fend for ourselves. I mean, if you go back to what Oliver said about the division between plants and animals, basically that's a division, I think, between a very sort of conservative strategy,…

…it is that you would have to give a robot with our consciousness human rights. Of course. Of course. At the same time, Oliver, quoting you out of all your books, while you're laughing, of course you have to give him some rights, is saying, mechanical…

…screwball. This was again said in another context. What I was wanting to get at is the sense I have that that Oliver and Dan were not contradicting one another, that what Oliver was underlining was the fact that the sorts of computer modeling we…

…What I was wanting to get at is the sense I have that that Oliver and Dan were not contradicting one another, that what Oliver was underlining was the fact that the sorts of computer modeling we have available to us in detail at the moment aren't yet…

…not replaceable, is I think a mystical idea, and I think it's simply a vestige of earlier bad ideas. In fact, I think Oliver just now was giving expression to the idea that what you are is the sum total of your attitudes, your memories, your reactions,…

…were analogous to myself. It's killing by remote control which is the cause of all this. If I conclude with a question Oliver asked himself, We seem to have astonishingly little idea of what basic human nature is like. Well, if we're talking about…

…suppose, and it didn't turn me into either a geologist or a marine biologist or a, turned me into a canoe paddler, though. Oliver, any specific book you're remembering? I loved the Just So stories. I think it must have been in the Jungle book. My middle…

…most was botany. because we didn't kill anything in botany, well, a few flowers maybe, but we went on field trips with Oliver Rackham to woods, and that I really liked, and the botanists were the scientists I liked most. Physiology, on the other hand,…