…was full of mushrooms. He had to go and vaporise them every few hours, you know, humidify the atmosphere. Anyway, Ralph Abraham, his friend, was staying there, and Ralph's a chaos mathematician at the University of California at Santa Cruz. He's still…

…ability to explore freely to put things in highly witty and amusing way. I mean, he was a one-off, completely unrepeatable. Ralph Abraham and I, who had so many wonderful conversations with him, have tried having trial logs with a whole series of other…

…out more about the nature of the mind from within. Later in the 1980s, I became friends with Terence McKenna and Ralph Abraham, who I met in California. Terence was a great visionary, an expert on psychedelic shamanism. Ralph was and still is a…

…life of navigating the dream realm. And many religious experiences occur in dreams. In the Bible, many of the visions that occur to Abraham and to other figures in the Bible occur in dreams. A lot of the Bible is about dream states. And these are taken…

…chaotic systems, but some of the similar principles apply. Now, complexity theory isn't... I have a great friend in chaos theory, Ralph Abraham, who's one of the Santa Cruz chaos people. And he and I have done a book together on this with Terence McKenna,…

…Memory of Nature, in 1988. The Rebirth of Nature, 1990. Seven Experiments that Could Change the World, 1994. Together with Ralph Abraham and Terence McKenna, Thinking on the Edge of the Unthinkable. And together with Matthew Fox, The Soul is a Field, and…

…got very interested in it. Then I met people who I had a great time discussing it with, like Terence McKenna and Ralph Abraham. They became very close friends and we had conversations every year trying out this and other ideas. So it wasn't as if life…

…feel a sense of presence that no one else can see. These experiences matter. A voice lies at the heart of many religions. Abraham knew that Yahweh existed because Yahweh called out to him. Muhammad knew the Quran was divine because the words came to him…

…discussions and dialogues. There's a dialogue section, audio section, where I have over 30 dialogues, trialogues, with Terence McKenna and Ralph Abraham. Both sadly no longer with us. But a whole lot of other dialogues. I have a YouTube channel which has…

…came to know of you through the trialogues that you did with Terrence McKenna, who I'm a huge fan of, and Ralph Abraham. And I thought they were some really fascinating conversations. You know, all of Terrence's MP3s are very thought-inspiring and made you…

…very much been in my mind in the last few days. And one of the letters I found was in 1995. He, Ralph Abraham, and I had had a trialogue about in, we were in Hawaii in Terence's Botanic Garden there, Botanical Dimensions. And Botanical Dimensions was…

…of course, nine books written just by me and six co-authored, two of them co-authored with Terence McKenna and Ralph Abraham. So there's plenty of material there for anyone who's interested. And whatever means people like. YouTube's audio, it's all there.…

…idea that the paschal lamb is sacrificed to save the Jews but not the Egyptians and of course it goes right back to Abraham and Isaac where there's a clear substitution of human sacrifice of the son Isaac with animal sacrifice, a ram. So this idea of…

…Rupert, when I was researching for this interview, I came across some of the trialogues you did with Terence McKenna and Ralph Abraham. Could you maybe tell us about your friendship with Terence McKenna and maybe the impact he had on you as a person…

…guy you must meet, Terence McKenna, so he arranged a meeting and I took a bus and I met Terence as arranged. And Ralph Abraham, the chaos mathematician, was staying with him for a few days. So he took me to his house, and there was Ralph. And they'd…

…a long series of trilogues with two very good friends. Terence McKenna, who was an explorer of psychedelic shamanism. And Ralph Abraham, who is a chaos mathematician from the University of California in Santa Cruz. Terence sadly died in the year 2000.…