Psychedelic Salon
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Dive into the archives of psychedelic thought. Lorenzo Hagerty hosts essential conversations on entheogens, science, and the counterculture.
c/psychedelic-salon
Dive into the archives of psychedelic thought. Lorenzo Hagerty hosts essential conversations on entheogens, science, and the counterculture.
…of the mayan calendar. The mathematics were thoroughly attacked a couple of years ago by a young British Mathematician named Watkins and brilliantly defended by an American Mathematician named John Sheliac. In the course of that contretempt I had to admit…
…an hour and 20 minutes from now, you're going to hear Terence talk about a time over a year earlier when the so called Watkins objection to his time wave hypothesis was first raised. And if you've been with us here in this lawn for a while, then you…
…while, then you may remember back to my podcast, number 472, where we heard Terrance talking about having just returned from meeting with Watkins in Palenque and that he would be returning to his home in Hawaii to think about it. Well, now we get to…
…he would be returning to his home in Hawaii to think about it. Well, now we get to hear what his thinking about the Watkins objection led him to. Okay, well, tonight has become sort of a set piece in these things because we always seem to set aside…
…his name is Matthew Watkins, and if you go to my website, you will see that there is a button there called the Watkins. Objection. We met to discuss this search for primes, but as our mathematical discussions unfolded, it began to be become clear that…
…but as our mathematical discussions unfolded, it began to be become clear that we had a problem. And the problem was that Watkins felt that he had discovered an error in the mathematical formulation of the wave, and it centered around a very arcane detail…
…With the King Wentz sequence, I had made a blunder. I knew what the logos wanted, but I had made a very. An error, was Watkins position. And it was a difficult experience for me, not only because I didn't know how I was going to feed myself if this…
…how I was going to feed myself if this thing went up in smoke, but I also. It was very hard for me to understand Watkins. And any of you who are professional mathematicians who try to talk to me about this will discover that I'm an idiot savant, you…
…said, I can't do anything about it. I cannot understand the man's objection. So and so. This was the position I found myself in. Watkins was terrifying. He was. I never had the guts to ask him how old he was. My guess would be 19, something like that.…
…pages of mathematical notation and several nasty paragraphs. And I sat with it for months. And then I said, I can't really understand Watkins, but I do understand what I intended. And so what I'm going to do is I'm just going to answer his objection.…
…Internet, and then let the chips fall where they may and some third party will have to resolve all this. So I did that. And Watkins took a leave of absence. And I understand he was last seen somewhere in the west of Ireland with a donkey and a harp,…
…in the stars and on and on. But I really felt shaky about the whole thing and I talked about it at Esalen. But Watkins never dealt with the fact that the wave did describe time. He wasn't interested in that. He just said, you made a mistake, and…
…somewhere in the american southwest. His mathematical credentials are impeccable. And he said, I want to go to bedrock with this Watkins thing. I'm going to do a complete vector analysis of the wave and break it down at every level, formalize every…
…call this the time wave, TW. We're calling the new one the CTW, the corrected. The corrected time wave. My mistake was as Watkins defined it, but he never carried through. Something about his way of thinking was, once he discovered I'd made a mistake for…
…I should say I'm grateful to all of the people who participated in this. I've never feared the knife. And, you know, yes, Watkins, first and foremost, because he put his finger on the error. And then it all proceeded from there. And the whole thing has…
…I mean, it's nothing like the book, but for a flick, it's pretty good. Yeah. Can you say a few words on what Watkins? How. What his objection or what his argumentary time frame? Yeah. There are really, in a sense, two Watkins objections. One is very…
…words on what Watkins? How. What his objection or what his argumentary time frame? Yeah. There are really, in a sense, two Watkins objections. One is very specific and perhaps hard to understand in this context, but it's that as that structure that I…
…crossover. And I changed the signs of the quantification values as I crossed the midpoint here. And then it worked. And what Watkins objects to is this switch in sign as we crossed the midpoint. Now, Watkins is an algebra, and my approach to this…
…midpoint here. And then it worked. And what Watkins objects to is this switch in sign as we crossed the midpoint. Now, Watkins is an algebra, and my approach to this thing was largely geometric. I believe that I have answered this objection because and…
…do quantify to zero if you make this switch here. So this is all graphically represented at the website. And I believe, although Watkins terrifies me, but I believe I've got him stymied on this, which it's a good thing because it's a hole in the heart.…
…I Ching are a series of mathematical transforms. Now, not so necessary to defend until we sort out this whole business with Watkins. However, since that was never part of these lectures, those of you who are not given to dedicating yourself to the altar…
…were going to explore ways in which Terence's hypothesis could be used to deepen his ideas about large prime numbers, his being Watkins. And it was over the course of their conversations, sitting at the end of the Chonka pool in Palenque, that Watkins…
…his being Watkins. And it was over the course of their conversations, sitting at the end of the Chonka pool in Palenque, that Watkins pointed out a major flaw in Terence's work on the time wave. I'm telling you this now ahead of the talk, so that,…
…in Terence's work on the time wave. I'm telling you this now ahead of the talk, so that, you know, ahead of time that Watkins hadn't traveled to meet Terence in order to expose a flaw in his theory or hypothesis, whatever you want to call it. They…
…what could or should follow. And you're going to hear him say. There is now on the table something called the Watkins objection, which is hideously difficult to understand, but if sustained, probably catastrophic for this theory. So what we are privileged…
…will grow. Has mine. Well, maybe I put it too gently last night. There is now on the table something called the Watkins objection, which is hideously difficult to understand, but if sustained, probably catastrophic for this theory. How do I feel about the…
…nobody has ever done anything about it except allow us how it was astonishing, and I was a genius. Well, now comes Watkins with a different opinion, with, in fact, the Watkins objection, which holds that this is flimsy at best, delusional at worst. And…
…allow us how it was astonishing, and I was a genius. Well, now comes Watkins with a different opinion, with, in fact, the Watkins objection, which holds that this is flimsy at best, delusional at worst. And we went over it from a number of angles, and…
…and Klaus Schraff at Tubingen in Germany, who duplicated the algorithm, and Ralph Abraham. And now we are fully engaged. I'm alarmed. Watkins scents blood. The whole thing is much more interesting than it was before. And coming as it does on the brink of…
…mean, it's not nothing like the book, but for a flick, it's pretty good. Yeah. Can you say a few words on what Watkins? How. What his objection or what his argumentary? Yeah, his. There are really, in a sense, two Watkins objections. One is very…
…few words on what Watkins? How. What his objection or what his argumentary? Yeah, his. There are really, in a sense, two Watkins objections. One is very specific and perhaps hard to understand in this context, but it's that as that structure that I showed…
…crossover, and I changed the signs of the quantification values as I crossed the midpoint here, and then it worked. And what Watkins objects to is this switch in sign as we crossed the midpoint. Now, Watkins is an algebraist, and my approach to this…
…midpoint here, and then it worked. And what Watkins objects to is this switch in sign as we crossed the midpoint. Now, Watkins is an algebraist, and my approach to this thing was largely geometric. I believe that I have answered this objection because and…
…do quantify to zero if you make this switch here. So this is all graphically represented at the website. And I believe, although Watkins terrifies me, but I believe I've got him stymied on this, which it's a good thing because it's a hole in the heart.…
…the heart. If he were right, it would be a hole in the heart, but he's not right. Now, the second half of the Watkins objection is slightly more difficult to deal with because it. But it's also slightly less powerful. And it is that he has written the…
…its critics head on. So here is one, and thank God for it. This means that the idea is reaching a new level of maturity. And Watkins was not. Did not come to me as a critic. He came to me as we were going to do some work on the wave involving…
…began saying under his breath, oh dear, oh dear. And so now we'll see. But out of this came for the first time. Watkins is the first person who ever wrote the equation that generates the data points. You see, all these other people, Peter Broadwell,…
…objection, which is hideously difficult to understand, but if sustained, probably catastrophic for this theory. How do I feel about the Watkins. Objection about the whole time wave thing at this point? Well, my. The time wave, actually, we're sort of ahead…
…anybody here. In the next months, this will all be thrashed out at the website. In other words, I will write a defense. Watkins will restate the objection and the formulas that back it up. Ralph will weigh in. Broadwell will weigh in. Who was the…
…this. It was my conjecture, unopposed by anybody. And nobody has ever been able to make an objection that lasted longer than 30 seconds. Watkins put his finger on a very sensitive area where I myself have had doubts. And so now what I have to do is go…
…etcetera, and decide where we are with this. So far, I'm the most alarmed person. Ralph said, you know, it's just Watkins objection. And then told a story about Rene Tom, who created a whole system of mathematics called catastrophe theory, which then…
…can just move immediately on to this question, which I anticipate, which is, why did it seem to work so long? I realize, and Watkins was at pains to point out to me that a lot of people who don't understand this theory take it very seriously. What…
…go back? Yeah. Could you ask the mushroom just flat out? You know, here's this objection. What's the deal? Yeah, of course. Does Watkins have much. Oh, yes. No, no, Watkins. Watkins is a worthy opponent. Watkins is. I dared not ask how young, a child, a…
…mushroom just flat out? You know, here's this objection. What's the deal? Yeah, of course. Does Watkins have much. Oh, yes. No, no, Watkins. Watkins is a worthy opponent. Watkins is. I dared not ask how young, a child, a savant of some sort. And he was…
…just flat out? You know, here's this objection. What's the deal? Yeah, of course. Does Watkins have much. Oh, yes. No, no, Watkins. Watkins is a worthy opponent. Watkins is. I dared not ask how young, a child, a savant of some sort. And he was not…
…here's this objection. What's the deal? Yeah, of course. Does Watkins have much. Oh, yes. No, no, Watkins. Watkins is a worthy opponent. Watkins is. I dared not ask how young, a child, a savant of some sort. And he was not aggressive. He was gentle, he…
…go there, there are all kinds of exhibits, pro and con, the time wave, and now there will be something called the Watkins objection. And possibly under the heading autopsy of a mathematical hallucination. It's lots of fun, actually. All of this. You just…
…recent meeting with Matthew Watkins. As you just heard him say, he was going to return to Hawaii and think about what the Watkins objection meant and how he and others would respond. Now, if this interests you as much as it does me, you maybe should…
…article from reality Sandwich that I'll talk about in a few minutes, you'll learn that Terrence published his initial response to Watkins, but then quickly removed it from the site after Watkins had voiced his objections to it. Apparently, no copies of this…
…you'll learn that Terrence published his initial response to Watkins, but then quickly removed it from the site after Watkins had voiced his objections to it. Apparently, no copies of this original response exist. However, Watkins did eventually publish…
…from the site after Watkins had voiced his objections to it. Apparently, no copies of this original response exist. However, Watkins did eventually publish his autopsy for a mathematical hallucination. Great title. And Terrence even wrote a one paragraph, kind…
…getting into the nuts and bolts of the mathematics in that paper, I want to cut to the chase and read the conclusion that Watkins wrote. It reads, and I quote, the conclusion, so we see that the value of w k cannot be determined from the local…
…that Terrence injected into his computations. And if you haven't heard of the half twist before, don't feel bad. In an essay by Watkins for Reality Sandwich in 2010, an essay that everybody interested in the time wave owes it to her or himself to read.…
…Reality Sandwich in 2010, an essay that everybody interested in the time wave owes it to her or himself to read. Well, Watkins explains that he only learned about it from a footnote in the time wave computer program manual. Basically, what happened is…
…his hypothesis in, I think, excruciating detail in his book the Invisible Landscape, well, half of them got reversed somehow. As Watkins writes in his reality sandwich essay, and I quote, I challenged TM on this, he had, for no obvious reason, reversed…
…the heart. If he were right, it would be a hole in the heart, but he's not right. Now, the second half of the Watkins objection is slightly more difficult to deal with because it. But it's also slightly less powerful. And it is that he has written the…
…its critics head on. So here is one, and thank God for it. This means that the idea is reaching a new level of maturity. And Watkins was not, did not come to me as a critic. He came to me as we were going to do some work on the wave involving…
…he began saying under his breath, oh dear, oh dear. So now we'll see. But out of this came for the first time. Watkins is the first person who ever wrote the equation that generates a the data points. You see, all these other people, Peter Broadwell,…