…I knew what it was. I knew that it was the phony saucer. Psychologists call this cognitive dissonance what it is, and Jacques Vallee and other people have written about this, the encounter with the UFO or with the other, always has an element of self…

…go and investigate it. You cannot understand it by consuming it from the media, because all these people that you hear about, Jacques Vallee and Bud Hopkins and John Mack, the gods of this. Do you think they would stand out if they were sitting here in…