…This is very close to the religious ecstasis of Mother Theresa or Hildegard von Bingen or Meister Eckhart or Thomas Treherne or any of those folks, except that they were apparently exceptional personalities who achieved this after tremendous self discipline…

…directions. And when I got started with psychedelics, it was because I was interested in the mystical experience. Allah, Jakob Burma and Thomas Treherne and all that sort of thing. And I had read Aldous Huxley's book, the Doors of Perception. So it was a…