…the feeling that we're always aiming for the center of this mandala. Somebody else might have a different model of consciousness. Roland Fisher had a toroidal model and various states of arousal. But to my mind, if you raise the dose of any psychedelic,…

…dose so that you enter into these places not to knock him personally, because he's a very nice man. But as an example, Roland Fisher, whose work you may know, I talked to him, and he has given psilocybin, he says, to about 15,000 people at Nimhen, and…

…This is something I haven't even talked about in this interview. But these things are very state bounded, a term which Roland Fisher in fact, coined. That simply means that they're very hard to retain and remember what exactly happened at the peak of…

…individuals. Because like many indoles, if there's a small amount of psilocybin in the diet, visual acuity is measurably increased. And Roland Fisher did work on this in the early sixties. Well, you can see that if an animal that is living by predation,…

…remember to bring back what you've learned? Oh, that's a good question. That's an important question. That's a key question. Roland Fisher, who was a great psychedelic researcher with psilocybin and later retired to Majorca to be Robert Graves next door…

…on the availability of protein, these foraging primates are testing every object in the environment for its food value. So Roland Fisher, who was a researcher into the effect of psychedelic drugs and the structure of consciousness, showed that small doses of…

…to take psychedelics and entirely miss the point because you are so extroverted and so nervous and agitated. I mean, Roland Fisher, who did all this experimental work with psilocybin, gave it to 25,000 people, published all these important papers, and he…

…diet of these primates. Now I mentioned and when I talked on the radio today, this very important series of experiments by Roland Fisher, who was one of the great, and really he isn't given the credit he deserves, one of the great researchers into…

…a grassland environment at a distance, is up to 20% more sensitive than in an unstoned human being. The guy who discovered this, Roland Fisher, said to me when I discussed it with him, he said, so you see here is a case where taking a drug definitely…

…dose so that you enter into these places not to knock him personally because he's a very nice man. But as an example, Roland Fisher, whose work you may know, I talked to him and he has given psilocybin, he says, to about 15,000 people at NIMH. And…

…them. This is something I haven't even talked about in this interview. But these things are very state bounded, a term which Roland Fisher in fact coined. That simply means that they're very hard to retain and remember what exactly happened at the peak of…

…three step process when you take psilocybin in very small amounts. Amounts so small that subjectively you don't notice anything. Roland Fisher did tests in the 1960s and he showed, using rats and later graduate students, that small amounts of psilocybin…

…confers on an animal or a human being is increased visual acuity. This is just something which it does. And Roland Fisher did experiments and showed this quite elegantly in the late sixties, although that research too should be duplicated. You know,…

…and striking object. Psilocybin, it's been shown, increases visual acuity in small doses. This is very solid research done by Roland Fisher in the fifties and the sixties. Some of the last research done with a psychedelics, he showed that very small…

…it because it's important to overcome. And that is, it's very state bounded, which is a term that the psychologist Roland Fisher coined, which means you can't remember anything about it. It's like an intense dream where you're intensely dreaming and the…

…took me years to be able to articulate this because I thought everybody did this, but apparently not. I once talked to Roland Fisher, the guy I mentioned this morning. He'd given psilocybin to 2500 grad students. He'd taken it 20 times himself. And I…

…Well, first of all, in very low doses, psilocybin increases visual acuity. If you want to go back into the literature, Roland Fisher, in the middle sixties, took graduate students and gave them small amounts of psilocybin, or placebo. And he built an…