…we agreed that we would meet in Palenque two years ago. And he came to see me. It was a. Well, his name is Matthew Watkins, and if you go to my website, you will see that there is a button there called the Watkins. Objection. We met to discuss…

…really a true theory anyway, it was at that Palenque conference where Terence had prearranged to meet a young man named Matthew Watkins, and they were going to explore ways in which Terence's hypothesis could be used to deepen his ideas about large prime…

…were going to explore ways in which Terence's hypothesis could be used to deepen his ideas about large prime numbers, his being Watkins. And it was over the course of their conversations, sitting at the end of the Chonka pool in Palenque, that Watkins…

…his being Watkins. And it was over the course of their conversations, sitting at the end of the Chonka pool in Palenque, that Watkins pointed out a major flaw in Terence's work on the time wave. I'm telling you this now ahead of the talk, so that,…

…in Terence's work on the time wave. I'm telling you this now ahead of the talk, so that, you know, ahead of time that Watkins hadn't traveled to meet Terence in order to expose a flaw in his theory or hypothesis, whatever you want to call it. They…

…what could or should follow. And you're going to hear him say. There is now on the table something called the Watkins objection, which is hideously difficult to understand, but if sustained, probably catastrophic for this theory. So what we are privileged…

…will grow. Has mine. Well, maybe I put it too gently last night. There is now on the table something called the Watkins objection, which is hideously difficult to understand, but if sustained, probably catastrophic for this theory. How do I feel about the…

…objection, which is hideously difficult to understand, but if sustained, probably catastrophic for this theory. How do I feel about the Watkins. Objection about the whole time wave thing at this point? Well, my. The time wave, actually, we're sort of ahead…

…anybody here. In the next months, this will all be thrashed out at the website. In other words, I will write a defense. Watkins will restate the objection and the formulas that back it up. Ralph will weigh in. Broadwell will weigh in. Who was the…

…this. It was my conjecture, unopposed by anybody. And nobody has ever been able to make an objection that lasted longer than 30 seconds. Watkins put his finger on a very sensitive area where I myself have had doubts. And so now what I have to do is go…

…etcetera, and decide where we are with this. So far, I'm the most alarmed person. Ralph said, you know, it's just Watkins objection. And then told a story about Rene Tom, who created a whole system of mathematics called catastrophe theory, which then…

…can just move immediately on to this question, which I anticipate, which is, why did it seem to work so long? I realize, and Watkins was at pains to point out to me that a lot of people who don't understand this theory take it very seriously. What…

…go back? Yeah. Could you ask the mushroom just flat out? You know, here's this objection. What's the deal? Yeah, of course. Does Watkins have much. Oh, yes. No, no, Watkins. Watkins is a worthy opponent. Watkins is. I dared not ask how young, a child, a…

…mushroom just flat out? You know, here's this objection. What's the deal? Yeah, of course. Does Watkins have much. Oh, yes. No, no, Watkins. Watkins is a worthy opponent. Watkins is. I dared not ask how young, a child, a savant of some sort. And he was…

…just flat out? You know, here's this objection. What's the deal? Yeah, of course. Does Watkins have much. Oh, yes. No, no, Watkins. Watkins is a worthy opponent. Watkins is. I dared not ask how young, a child, a savant of some sort. And he was not…

…here's this objection. What's the deal? Yeah, of course. Does Watkins have much. Oh, yes. No, no, Watkins. Watkins is a worthy opponent. Watkins is. I dared not ask how young, a child, a savant of some sort. And he was not aggressive. He was gentle, he…

…go there, there are all kinds of exhibits, pro and con, the time wave, and now there will be something called the Watkins objection. And possibly under the heading autopsy of a mathematical hallucination. It's lots of fun, actually. All of this. You just…

…with that discussion, I want to return to the earlier part of this talk in which Terrence discussed his recent meeting with Matthew Watkins. As you just heard him say, he was going to return to Hawaii and think about what the Watkins objection meant and…

…recent meeting with Matthew Watkins. As you just heard him say, he was going to return to Hawaii and think about what the Watkins objection meant and how he and others would respond. Now, if this interests you as much as it does me, you maybe should…

…article from reality Sandwich that I'll talk about in a few minutes, you'll learn that Terrence published his initial response to Watkins, but then quickly removed it from the site after Watkins had voiced his objections to it. Apparently, no copies of this…

…you'll learn that Terrence published his initial response to Watkins, but then quickly removed it from the site after Watkins had voiced his objections to it. Apparently, no copies of this original response exist. However, Watkins did eventually publish…

…from the site after Watkins had voiced his objections to it. Apparently, no copies of this original response exist. However, Watkins did eventually publish his autopsy for a mathematical hallucination. Great title. And Terrence even wrote a one paragraph, kind…

…getting into the nuts and bolts of the mathematics in that paper, I want to cut to the chase and read the conclusion that Watkins wrote. It reads, and I quote, the conclusion, so we see that the value of w k cannot be determined from the local…

…that Terrence injected into his computations. And if you haven't heard of the half twist before, don't feel bad. In an essay by Watkins for Reality Sandwich in 2010, an essay that everybody interested in the time wave owes it to her or himself to read.…

…Reality Sandwich in 2010, an essay that everybody interested in the time wave owes it to her or himself to read. Well, Watkins explains that he only learned about it from a footnote in the time wave computer program manual. Basically, what happened is…

…his hypothesis in, I think, excruciating detail in his book the Invisible Landscape, well, half of them got reversed somehow. As Watkins writes in his reality sandwich essay, and I quote, I challenged TM on this, he had, for no obvious reason, reversed…

…our younger saloners, you'll see exactly what I mean. One other thing I'd like to point out is that Terrence said he and Matthew Watkins sat down by the swimming pool in Palenque to have their talks. And I remember that pool quite well. So if you go…

…the very spot at the end of the pool where we all met and talked during the enthio botany conferences. And Matthew Watkins, as Pink Floyd says, I know you're out there somewhere. In fact, I understand that Matthew sometimes makes speaking appearances at…

…things that happened in Mexico. Before I went to Mexico, I had been getting email from a person in England, a mathematician named Matthew Watkins, and he allowed us how he would be at Palenque when I was there. Not part of this group, but just passing…

…nobody has ever done anything about it except allow us how it was astonishing, and I was a genius. Well, now comes Watkins with a different opinion, with, in fact, the Watkins objection, which holds that this is flimsy at best, delusional at worst. And…

…allow us how it was astonishing, and I was a genius. Well, now comes Watkins with a different opinion, with, in fact, the Watkins objection, which holds that this is flimsy at best, delusional at worst. And we went over it from a number of angles, and…

…and Klaus Schraff at Tubingen in Germany, who duplicated the algorithm, and Ralph Abraham. And now we are fully engaged. I'm alarmed. Watkins scents blood. The whole thing is much more interesting than it was before. And coming as it does on the brink of…