…central rings. Under the big top, that's the dome, and in the central ring there's light and color and clowns. Remember that Maria Sabina called the mushrooms the little clowns and these clowns the circuses for children. And when you take DMT, one of the…

…and her mushroom Volada. It's a set of six tapes of a mushroom session that Maria Savina did in 1956. So here is Maria Sabina raving in Mazatec, and it's going along like this. And I look in the interlinear translation. S means says in Mazatec. So…

…He gave some of it to Wassen, and Wasson took it back to Huatla in the Sierra Mazateca of Oaxaca and gave it to Maria Sabina. And Maria Sabina said, the spirit of the mushroom is in the little pill. And this story has been repeated over and over…

…of it to Wassen, and Wasson took it back to Huatla in the Sierra Mazateca of Oaxaca and gave it to Maria Sabina. And Maria Sabina said, the spirit of the mushroom is in the little pill. And this story has been repeated over and over again. Well, my…

…mushroom is in the little pill. And this story has been repeated over and over again. Well, my assumption simply is, you know, Maria Sabina was a wily old lady. I mean, it's not writ anywhere that shamans have to always tell you the truth. And I very…

…herders from way back. Shepherds, people who follow cattle, probably were into all of this stuff very early. You know, Maria Sabina, the great mushroom shamanist of Watla, always claimed that she really had never been taught about the mushrooms that she…

…Sabina's mushroom chants. There's one text called the voice of the thunder that has a meter and a rhythm that is precisely Maria Sabina. So gnosticism is the general banner under which all of this stuff can be placed. Gnostics believe the central tenet of…

…to prove the isolation, he manufactured some. And then he and Wasson took it back with them to Whatla and they gave it to Maria Sabina, and she said, the spirit of the mushroom is in the little pill. But let's face it, Maria Sabina was a sly old…

…Whatla and they gave it to Maria Sabina, and she said, the spirit of the mushroom is in the little pill. But let's face it, Maria Sabina was a sly old woman who really knew how to play on the gringo's heart. And I don't think it's the last word that…

…few years ago, Walter Houston Clark was with us tonight, and I and some other people went to Mexico for an interview with Maria Sabina in the last few years of her life and saw firsthand the setting in which some of the early explorers, like Wasen and…

…or so after sundown in a hut. The shaman, or shamaness, certainly the most famous mushroom shaman of all is the shamaness Maria Sabina, who died a few years ago, who was the person who turned Gordon Wasson on. And everyone, not everyone takes the…

…tobacco smoke is blown over the patient and Kopal is burned, and that's about it. In the mushroom Valada that was recorded, Maria Sabina basically gives up on the patient. She says it's an eleven year old boy, and she says during the session that he's…