…small, narrow minded town where I lived. It was a good way to get in. Everybody's face was to go around saying, you know, Jackson Pollock is a genius. You may not think so, but you're an idiot. And, you know, there was a period in my life where I…

…ecology that valued Norman Rockwell, rock of ages, silent night, Rosemary Clooney, and, you know, and I said, no, no. Jackson Pollock, Samuel Beckett, Jean Janet, Carl Jaspers, Martin Heidegger. I didn't know what these things meant. I just knew they were…

…the dados and the surrealists are saying we have to break up the linear expectations of the bourgeois mind. And then you get Jackson Pollock and those people who say the image itself has to be thrown out. And then to my mind, the psychedelic thing in…

…the species, cultures act to preserve the illusions of the population. They're not interested in you if you're an Einstein or a Jackson Pollock, or unless they can fit you in to the pre established systems of commerce and canons of aesthetic order and so…

…about myself as a 13 year old kid and who were my heroes. It wasn't baseball players and it wasn't even astronauts. It was Jackson Pollock. And that's what I wanted to be. I wanted to be a kid from Wyoming who went to New York and drank hard in…

…century art is a reaction against morbid romanticism, which was probably a pretty good thing to overthrow. But I saw people like Pollock, or specifically Pollock, as, in a sense, realists in that what they were showing us was chaos. That's sort of the…

…a reaction against morbid romanticism, which was probably a pretty good thing to overthrow. But I saw people like Pollock, or specifically Pollock, as, in a sense, realists in that what they were showing us was chaos. That's sort of the evolution of an…

…and go into state or what. So it becomes a language, a visual language that can describe things that our words can. Well, Pollock made an immense intellectual journey because he started out not. I mean, he was born in Cody, Wyoming. This is a strike…

…manufacture, which occupied me for several very dangerous years, but I was lucky to survive. And I think after rockets came Jackson Pollock, and it was just one thing after another. And when I look leading ultimately to, for me, psychedelics, which were…

…painting. It wasn't like amazonian Barkley cloth painting. It wasn't like Jan van Eyck, it wasn't like Hieronymus Bosch or Jackson Pollock or anybody else. And I thought, how extraordinary. If you take the jungian view that the function of artists is…

…has been very chaotic. We are asked to make sense of a great deal, you know, from Marcel Proust to the Third Reich to Jackson Pollock to the moon flights, all of this stuff. And in a sense, we must make the effort to cognize what is happening because…