c/psychedelic-salon
Dive into the archives of psychedelic thought. Lorenzo Hagerty hosts essential conversations on entheogens, science, and the counterculture.
…perfect knowledge of velocity and position without ambiguity. It calls forth the notion of non locality. That's why the Heisenberg Formulation was preferred. But again non locality accepted permits some of the things we're interested in: telepathy, information…
…very sloppy thinking it turns out that it's been known in the physics community for decades that there is an alternative to the Heisenberg Bohr model. It was developed by David Bohm God REST his soul and Bohm's Theory of quantum gravity and so forth and…
…REST his soul and Bohm's Theory of quantum gravity and so forth and so on gives just as good results as the Bohr Heisenberg model. In other words as an experimental theory it's as good. Why was Bohr Heisenberg chosen over David Bohm? It was chosen…
…as good results as the Bohr Heisenberg model. In other words as an experimental theory it's as good. Why was Bohr Heisenberg chosen over David Bohm? It was chosen because David Bohm's Theory has a really counterintuitive notion built into it so…
…to the physicists of 1923 through 1935 or so that they were willing to accept the squirrelly part of the Bohr Heisenberg model this strange bit of business about the uncertainty principle. And what the uncertainty principle says is, as you gain knowledge…
…velocity, you begin to lose hold of its position, and so you have to choose which one you want to know and the Bohr Heisenberg model says you cannot know both simultaneously. This is a basic property of the universe? Not not at all. In the Bohm model…
…quantum physics throughout the 20th century could be solved by admitting that the Copenhagen school, which is Niels Bohr and Heisenberg and all those untouchable and godlike figures, to admit that they were actually wrong about something fundamental. And that…
…uncertainty built into it. And they thought uncertainty was a smaller outrage to reason, the non locality. So they chose the Heisenberg Bohr model with this uncertainty principle embedded in it. But now, in the last five years, non locality, which previously…
…on this matter, it appears that this is what it always looked like, fuzzy and confused thinking, and that the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, or rather the Heisenberg formulation of the quantum theory, is now not to be preferred. The preferred understanding…
…this is what it always looked like, fuzzy and confused thinking, and that the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, or rather the Heisenberg formulation of the quantum theory, is now not to be preferred. The preferred understanding now is the version of quantum…
…mathematically is precisely zero. There is no difference, but they make different assumptions. Assumptions. And the reason originally the Heisenberg formulation was preferred was because it was felt that this uncertainty principle, which was a hard swallow, was…
…separated by millions of light years of space and time. This was thought to be so counterintuitive, so preposterous, that the Heisenberg uncertainty principle was chosen as the lesser of two evils. But it turns out, over the past ten years, experiments have…
…And that's really what the crisis in science now is. The cutting edges of physical science have contacted the Heisenberg uncertainty principle in the twenties. The anthropocentric principle in the eighties and seventies. And we are realizing that somehow…
…fact that fire 50,000 years ago, or whatever it was, language, 35,000, whatever, then measurement 5000, then Galileo, 400, then Heisenberg. What is obviously happening is that everything is being drawn together. The description our physicists are giving us of…
…been more ballyhoo and self congratulations than about any other single concept, is the much vaunted uncertainty principle of Heisenberg, which is supposed to be a bridge to understanding consciousness, uniting science and art, letting us see the scintillating,…
…us see the scintillating, elusive, mercurial beauty. It turns out it's b's. To put it as kindly as possible, when the Bohr Heisenberg theory was formulated, there was another theory of the quanta on the table. But this theory had an assumption built into…
…now separated in time and space. So the physics community, and let me say about the Bohm theory and the Bohr Heisenberg formulation, the mathematics is identical. The mathematics is identical. One does not give better results than the other, but they have…
…not give better results than the other, but they have these completely antithetical concepts built into them. And I doubt that the Heisenberg thing will survive. It was actually a mistake. And what I want to say then, about the Bohm formulation is with…