…a mistake. So I went to Huxley and read more carefully, saw that he was working from the early of Havelock, Ellis Weir, Mitchell, Fitzhugh, Ludlow. It turned out that this whole tradition, albeit an underground tradition in western intellectual or aesthetic,…

…phenomena and that sort of thing which has been persistently a repressed sub theme in psychedelic research ever since. Havelock Ellis began experimenting with mescaline. And the other thing is a constellation of issues that seem to me related, although…

…advance it. They came to us out of ethnography and anthropology, out of the work of Wasson and Hoffman and earlier, Havelock, Ellis and Weir, Mitchell, Henri Michaud, all the people who worked with psychedelics. At first it was worked with by artists, by…

…has always been to be a reader and to get a. To inform myself. So I read the doors of perception and Havelock Ellis and Weir Mitchell, all these people I mentioned this afternoon. And what fascinated me was how they insisted on visions, particularly…

…all these people I mentioned this afternoon. And what fascinated me was how they insisted on visions, particularly Havelock Ellis descriptions of his mescaline experiences where he says, architectural ruins of dripping with globular jewels, strange statuary…

…that mescaline can't do that. It certainly can if you read these early researchers like Heinrich Kluver, S. Weir, Mitchell, Havelock Ellis. I mean these are wonderful descriptions of full on psychedelic states, but they were using pure mescaline, you know,…

…50 years, up until about 19, 45, 55 years make it very little happened. Mescaline did not, though. It was taken by Havelock Ellis and William James and F. Weir Mitchell and it did not spawn a craze. It did not influence large numbers of intellectuals,…

…picked up this bias in favor of the visual channel. I wasn't satisfied with LSD. I wanted those things that Havelock Ellis describes where he talks about jeweled ruins and phosphorescent maidens in diaphanous gowns, howling demon songs beneath a violet moon.…

…phenomena and that sort of thing, which has been persistently a repressed sub theme in psychedelic research ever since Havelock Ellis began experimenting with mescaline. And the other thing is a constellation of issues that seem to me related, although…

…apart and I thought many strange things and had many insights. But I had thought that it would be like the Havelock Ellis description, the ruined cities dripping with jewels, the vast jungles, the strange machinery, all that. Uh uh. Later I discovered that…

…to psilocybin, I was just exultant because, see, what I had done is I'd read Huxley. Then I'd gone back to Havelock Ellis, the dance of life, and Henri Michaud, the miserable miracle, and people like that. Havelock Ellis talks about ruined buildings of…

…gone back to Havelock Ellis, the dance of life, and Henri Michaud, the miserable miracle, and people like that. Havelock Ellis talks about ruined buildings of great antiquity drooping with opalescent jewels and protruding from venusian forests. And I said,…

…It was much more mechanical and elusive and fast moving. Well, then when I took psilocybin, lo and behold, it was just like Havelock Ellis. Produced and directed by Havelock Ellis. And that is what I love. It may just be a prejudice of mine, but to me,…

…elusive and fast moving. Well, then when I took psilocybin, lo and behold, it was just like Havelock Ellis. Produced and directed by Havelock Ellis. And that is what I love. It may just be a prejudice of mine, but to me, the transcendental part of it…

…descriptions of Wasson and the early workers that it was easy to visually hallucinate. And I had read the earlier accounts of Havelock Ellis and people like that and it was about, if you've ever read, and I think it's the, the dance of life, Havelock…

…like that and it was about, if you've ever read, and I think it's the, the dance of life, Havelock Ellis description of mescaline, he talks about alien buildings, jeweled ruins, fantastically efflorescent rainforest growing and transforming before his eyes.…

…before. And I'd also read Havelock Alice's the Dance of Life, which has a long chapter on mescaline. Actually, that passage in Havelock Ellis, it's only a page or so, is one of the most seducing passages in all of psychedelic literature. They were. He…

…person on the planet. By the way, early in this interview you just heard Terence mention the mescaline experiments of Doctor Havelock Ellis. And if you're interested, I've located an 1898 essay written by Ellis that is titled a new Artificial paradise, and…

…heard Terence mention the mescaline experiments of Doctor Havelock Ellis. And if you're interested, I've located an 1898 essay written by Ellis that is titled a new Artificial paradise, and I've linked to it in the program notes for this podcast. It's a…

…plants being used by strange people in far off corners of the world. Mescaline becomes very interesting to Krappelin and Havelock, Ellis and Clouver. All of these people. In the thirties, forties and fifties, the mushroom story slowly breaks. Albert Hoffman…

…50 years, up until about 19, 45, 55 years make it very little happened. Mescaline did nothing, though. It was taken by Havelock Ellis and William James and F. Weir Mitchell. And it did not spawn a craze. It did not influence large numbers of…

…advance it. They came to us out of ethnography and anthropology, out of the work of Wasson and Hoffman and earlier, Havelock, Ellis and Weir, Mitchell, Henri Michaud, all the people who worked with psychedelics. At first it was worked with by artists, by…