c/psychedelic-salon
Dive into the archives of psychedelic thought. Lorenzo Hagerty hosts essential conversations on entheogens, science, and the counterculture.
…in fact the concern of surrealism is nothing less than the pictorial representation of the contents of the unconscious as described by and Freud and Jung Jung. So what it in in a way what? What we're talking about here is not so much the culture Shaping…
…by taboo structures. As soon as anthropologists arrived anywhere they found systems of taboos and that's why early 20th century anthropology Freud wrote a book on totem and taboo they were very interested in this question and taboo means that which is…
…well, but don't you think, don't you think they were projecting a lot of that? After all, people like James Fraser and Freud came from the most taboo ruled societies that have ever existed on earth. Victorian England and fin de siècle Vienna were so…
…archaism, that in the sciences, the arts, everywhere the archaic ideal is raising its protean head. And it begins with Freud in the early years of the 20th century discovering by interviewing these viennese bourgeois housewives that human beings were brutes…
…Pound. And the glorification of barbarism and the recovery of the unconscious. First, the sexual nature of the unconscious through Freud, later, the mass archetypal structure through Jung. In other words, the great movements of the 20th century, even Marxism…
…to affect both individual and social change over the next visible response? Well, obviously, just on the surface of it, Freud in civilization and its discontents made the point that sexuality is necessarily repressed for civilization to be possible. Sexuality…
…than that. It's been going on throughout the 20th century. The discovery of the purification of mescaline in Berlin in 1897. Freud begins to publish around the turn of the century, Jung. They are discovering the primitive unconscious. They are revealing to…
…beginnings of it, the first swell, back to the turn of the century with relativity and theosophy and surrealism and the work of Freud and Jung on the unconscious. But it's a discovery, a moving toward a realization that the values that can serve us are…
…destroy malignant tissue while sparing the host. And in the area of psychology, there were parallel developments. The theories of Freud and Jung were being developed into increasingly useful clinical tools and approaches to mental illness, and on the basis of…
…it will be through conceiving of mind as the underlying self aware, self active, world forming grammar of being. So that what Freud called the superego, what I call the overmind, there have been different ways of talking about it has to be seen not…
…is experienced as chaos. You know, cubism is created when Picasso brings african masks to Paris and begins painting them. Freud announces that we are not just christian ladies and gentlemen, but right beneath the surface, the incest drive, cannibalistic…
…last tail wagging of the baroque and rococo era, which was the come down from the Renaissance. So modern art, the discoveries of Freud and jung, that there was more to life than being awake or asleep, but that there were, you know, spirits. The rebirth…
…laid enough, everybody getting to be famous enough, everybody getting what they need by abandoning this. You know, I think it was Freud who compared the gathering of money to the retention of shit to the holding of your stuff, you know, to being that…
…there is a policeman that comes around. It's the rules. You break in through the window, then you must get tossed out. I think Freud would call that super ego. But the truth is that it is your house. The only thing is, you've just got to find the…
…then you get, you know, I mean, when psychoanalysis began, it was basically awaken asleep was the theory of consciousness that Freud inherited. Awake and asleep, what's the big deal? So then he showed, you know, that states of multiple personality and…
…than that. It's been going on throughout the 20th century. The discovery of the purification of mescaline in Berlin in 1896. Freud begins to publish around the turn of the century, Jung. They are discovering the primitive unconscious. They are revealing to…
…the hard image of realism and gives you a feeling tone thing which was very antithetical to victorian edwardian thought. Then Freud and Jung describe different aspects of the unconscious. But to do it, Freud has to talk about, repress primitive sexual…
…antithetical to victorian edwardian thought. Then Freud and Jung describe different aspects of the unconscious. But to do it, Freud has to talk about, repress primitive sexual imaginings. Jung talks about folklore, fairy tales and mythology. Meanwhile, the…
…Science worked, darkies kept their places, everything was under control. The 20th century, the discovery of the unconscious. Bye Freud and then Joseph Goebbels, the contemporary, all of these things happened, which were basically the discrediting of western…
…A lot of it sexual and related to self identity. And I don't have to discuss this with you. You just refer you to Freud and the whole gang. Everybody understands how bent we are. The question is why? And I think this is why. Because we have been…
…forms. It comes in the natural and available form of the dream, which always, to some degree, has shaped human culture. But for Freud and Jung in the early 20th century and their followers, the dream took on a whole new significance that it had never…
…a case going into it. I mean, if you had known me when I was 19 years old, I was into Jean Paul Sartre, Alfred Camus, Marxism, Freud. I was a jerk and I came down from it and I said, I can't believe it. That was all I could say for about 20…
…create a more caring, meaningful world. Or they can be denied the way sexuality was denied until the force of the work of Freud and others just made it impossible to maintain the fiction any longer. This choice of how quickly we develop into a mature…
…is the idea that all of the and I see the whole of the 20th century, you know the discovery of the unconscious by Freud and Jung, the dissolving of the naturalistic image at the hands of the cubists, the probing of the dream state by the surrealists,…
…our culture crisis is so much deeper. Where we are casting back to is 20, 30,000 years into the past. This is why Freud and Auschwitz and modern art and rock and roll and sexual permissiveness and drug taking and all of these things we are trying…
…the morning by the street sweepers. We have a way to go before we get to those places. But still. Maybe it's because of Freud and Nietzsche and all the bad boys of the 19th century or something, but we really have pried open a fairly toxic aspect of…
…the concept of the collective unconscious, which was enunciated by Carl Jung in the early decades of the 20th century, he and Freud basically discovered that the mind had a flip side that could only express itself in dreams, and that was. Seemed very…
…create a more caring, meaningful world, or they can be denied the way sexuality was denied until the force of the work of Freud and others just made it impossible to maintain the fiction any longer. This choice of how quickly we develop into a mature…
…it will be through conceiving of mind as the underlying self awareness, self active, world forming grammar of being. So that what Freud called the superego, what I call the overmind, there have been different ways of talking about. It has to be seen not…
…beginnings of it, the first swell back to the turn of the century with relativity and theosophy and surrealism and the work of Freud and Jung on the unconscious. But it's a discovery, a moving toward a realization that the values that can serve us are…
…pound. And the glorification of barbarism and the recovery of the unconscious. First the sexual nature of the unconscious through Freud. Later the mass archetypal structure through Jung. In other words, the great movements of the 20th century. Even Marxism…
…affect both individual and social change over the next visible historical. Well, obviously, just on the surface of it, Freud in civilization and its discontents made the point that sexuality is necessarily repressed for civilization to be possible. Sexuality…
…tension between the psychedelic community, which is to my mind an exiled tribe of scientists. The psychedelic community. We're the heirs of Freud and jung, but booted out of the tent of science because we dared to use the human brain body as an…
…the same way a hundred years ago. It would have been in the end, in 1899, when Jugensteil was bursting at it scenes and Freud was beginning to formulate his theories, and the Paris air show of 1905 was in the planning. There has always been this sense…
…and bringing that in. The same tendency which had infected mannerism then came in as surrealism in the 20th century. And because of Freud and Jung and all this stuff. So I think that the whole history of 20th century art is a reaction against morbid…
…And the 20th century has been all about confronting the. The bankruptcy of all of that. And from the time of surrealism and Freud and jung and Dada, right through to rave music and jazz and rock and roll and abstract expressionism. These are all archaic…
…We call it schizophrenia and slam the door. But, you know, these dimensions have been with us since 10,000 times longer than Freud, and people just have to come to terms with them. Now it's because of accidents of botany and history. European man has…
…me is the presence of these english speaking entities in the trance. I mean, that I did not expect from Jung and from Freud. You expect residual memories, but not these entities, these beings. And then the question is, where are they? Who are they? Well,…
…20th century as a very you know it's like trying to turn a battleship with an oar. It's very, very slow going but with Freud and Jung we get the discovery of the unconscious. I mean they discover it through a spyglass at 900 yards but they do announce…
…the sixties. The entirety of the 20th century has gone on under the aegis of this archaic revival. It begins with Freud and Jung, or earlier with impressionism. It works its way up through abstract expressionism and it has positive and negative…
…thousands of years without a problem. Cocaine very quickly develops into a problem. The enthusiasts of cocaine. In the 19th century, Freud and his school, were riding on the great wave of optimism about cocaine that clustered around it when it was found…
…see, I mean it's a complete dissolving of your personality, of the boundary constraints, everything. And so then what was offered after Freud and by Aldous Huxley and people like that to model it was some kind of confirmation of eastern philosophy. It was…
…table. You know, there were anticipations of the 20th century. The surrealists are not given their due in all of this. You know, Freud gets a lot of credit, but he was cribbing from the surrealists like crazy, you may be sure. In fact, major portions of…
…deprived darkness. And then, you know, you can actually tease the stuff out. We in the west, probably coming down through Freud and before have the idea that introspection of all types is considered morbid, it's considered narcissistic. I mean, a person…
…19th century, back to people like Alfred Jarry and Gumare, Polonnaire and the Pataphysicians, the surrealists, the physicists around Einstein, Freud, modern art, modern dance, jazz, all of this stuff is an effort to reclaim the primitive, to reclaim the…
…that comes down through the french, english, german tradition of constipated male dominance. Instead, you know, intuit, that's what it is in Freud and Jung and the new age and intuit our way out. But now the intuition is rising to the surface. We no…
…scientific, male dominated, materialist civilization. It begins with phenomena like pataphysics in the 1880s in France and surrealism and Freud and Jungden and abstract expressionism. And even the Nazis had a piece of the action because of their understanding…
…augments the ego to a new level, rather than extinguishes the ego, that it gives a truer picture of reality. Well, you know, Freud had this concept that he called the superego, and this term has somewhat fallen out of use. And because we all tend to…
…was clear to me that this had to have evolutionary implications. And it seemed to me as I read my Darwin and Freud that there had to be some kind of quickening influence in human emergence that, if nothing outright transcendental, was certainly unique and…
…psychedelic drugs should do has no room in it for this. Our model of what psychedelic drugs should do is derive from Freud and then secondarily from Jung. From Freud we derive the idea that the psychedelic drug should introduce you to neurotic thought…
…for this. Our model of what psychedelic drugs should do is derive from Freud and then secondarily from Jung. From Freud we derive the idea that the psychedelic drug should introduce you to neurotic thought processes, repressed memory, traumatic experience,…
…great overarching picture. And in some way we have lost our way. And it remained for giants of 20th century thought like Freud and Jung, to announce the startling fact that there was a human unconscious. And then it took still a different generation of…
…the last tail wagging of the baroque and rococo era, which was the comedown from the Renaissance. So modern art, the discoveries of Freud and jung, that there was more to life than being awake or asleep, but that there were spirits, the rebirth of a…
…laid enough, everybody getting to be famous enough, everybody getting what they need by abandoning this. You know, I think it was Freud who compared the gathering of money to the retention of shit to the holding of your stuff, you know, to being that…
…I, you know, that occurs to me is we human beings come equipped with something called the unconscious mind, discovered by Freud and Jung in Vienna, you know, for us, but apparent throughout history, the unconscious mind. And part of this technological and…
…Well I suppose that was the answer I needed to hear it put my problems in perspective. I realized, you know, you don't ask Freud to clip your fingernails for gods sake. So in that sense im not sure about intention but the way I understand intention is…
…then 20 minutes later, ideas are beginning to accompany this melting and flowing of perception that's. We've now reached surrealism and Freud and Jung, the discovery of the unconscious. Well, then it keeps going. It gets more and more intense. Now we don't…
…was invited here to dumb it down. So, you know, if you had Darwin, you'd get natural selection. If you had Freud, you'd get sexual repression. So you've got McKenna. So you're going to get psychoactive catalysis of consciousness, because that's basically…
…thoughts absurd for people to think of themselves as heterosexual, homosexual, exclusive, this exclusive that. After all, you know, Freud showed that our fantasies are almost always contain counterelements to our expressed choice, gender or otherwise. And I…
…of our technology? Is that healthy? Is it not healthy? We don't know. I mean, if we're crying out loud, we're barely 80 years from Freud, and now look what we're going to have to deal with. You know, on one level, the way to think of the Internet and…
…was on the rise and neo platonic philosopher said that he thought Christianity was a disease of the soul. And I think Freud and Jung have pretty much proved the same thing. Well, long before the viral metaphor, somewhat before the viral metaphor became a…
…part of this much larger phenomenon which I call the archaic revival. You know, the discovery of the unconscious through Freud and Jung, the deconstruction of the image. First the image seen through impressionism, and then the image imagined is deconstructed…
…of the first books, becomes association, becomes associated with accessing the database of the culture. Well, what we've learned through Freud and Jung is that the database of the culture goes deeper than we may have anticipated, and that the final…
…this psychedelic experience isn't new in the sense of a cultural endeavor. Let's call that the discovery of the unconscious, and that Freud attributed that to the romantic poets. So would you say that one could see the whole modern and postmodern era of…
…found in the morning by the street. We have a way to go before we get to those places. But still, maybe it's because of Freud and Nietzsche and all the bad boys of the 19th century or something. But we really have pried open a fairly toxic aspect of…
…idea of mind to the idea of conscious ego? Or is it more complicated than that? Well, in other words, we know Freud had a notion of how the personality was constructed. Jung brought another vocabulary to bear. Are these meaningful vocabularies? Is there…
…in the way that the 15th century discovered the new world, the 20th century discovered the parallel continuum. It begins with Freud and noticing something about the fantasies of these viennese housewives and then Jung splicing in the myths, and then the…
…is experienced as chaos. You know, cubism is created when Picasso brings african masks to Paris and begins painting them. Freud announces that we are not just christian ladies and gentlemen, but right beneath the surface. The incest drive, cannibalistic…
…in the nearby semi arid wilderness looking for fossils and later collecting butterflies. And then after that, building and launching rockets. Freud notwithstanding, it was lots of fun, but there was certainly lots of fun inside books. So last night was sort…