…So then I just turned upon that with a vengeance. Left off the bugs and the minerals. It became about Henry James and Fragonard and mannerism and all of this stuff. But the transition, because I was hitting adolescence at that point, was rocketry and the…

…I mean, for my money, 19th century art is pretty dismal. It's very much of the academy. In France you've got Watteau and Fragonard. And in England you have, you know, Reynolds and all of this stuff going on until this romantic morbidity gives rise to,…