…human mind which now becomes a kind of geocentric universe. I mean it's like the old geocentric model you even get it in Ficino who says man is the measure of all things when actually the order of intelligence could have been the measure of all things…

…signatures, I mean this is what yes ancient herbals did this the magic that he built on was the magic of Ficino and Campanella and these people and not only plants but minerals, everything represented a planetary intelligence that's right and perfumes and…

…that I knew but then how does that relate to the John Dee? Well, this form of angel magic that comes out of Ficino and then is perfected in Campanella takes the idea that you it's basically deccan magic that zodiacal signs can be divided into thirds.…