…beginning of the 30 years war. And, you know, for my money, after that, it gets pretty mucked up. I mean, after Eliaphus Levy, who's already waffling. I'm not very interested in the occultism of the 17th, 18th, and 19th century, but it's not necessary,…

…there, you know, Proclus and Plotinus and Plato and hypatia and Henry Cornelius Agrippa and John Dee and Robert Flood and Eliaphus Levy, they're all out there pulling for us. And every shaman and shamanist, every magician practitioner, as far back in time…