…for this trip. And we were all worried about how he would take that transatlantic crossing. And at the airport we were saying, don Jose, don Jose, how did you do it? How do you feel at your age? Were you able to make that crossing? He said, well,…

…this trip. And we were all worried about how he would take that transatlantic crossing. And at the airport we were saying, don Jose, don Jose, how did you do it? How do you feel at your age? Were you able to make that crossing? He said, well, I just…

…we would all get together and take ayahuasca, about 30 of us older shamans, our guy, people from the neighborhood, and this sobrino, Don Jose. So I don't know what the real history of it was. Because I had just arrived on the scene, but these old guys…