…cognitive hallucinations that's right that's right. The Iowa Scarrow that kat mentioned that we like so much and worked with in Peru, Don Fidel, he lived behind he lived off this road when we knew him a few miles down this trail and we would go…

…four years previously and that was kind of my in at the time. That's how I was able to contact a real ayahuasca girl. Don Fidel was his name and he lived outside kukalpa. So my second encounter was really in 81 with his ayahuasca, and I have been…

…psychedelic effect, like a dancer, almost as little as possible to get the job done. You know, they don't I don't think. That of Don Fidel. I think that in that one case, he certainly was a lion ant. He did also seem to hold the mushroom in the sort…

…terrifying to take. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I got into trouble. It was one of those situations. I had a Curandero friend, Don Fidel Mosambite, in Pucalpa, and he had given me this bottle of ayahuasca as a going away present. And I had kept it for…

…aliens would he see and use in? Though. The only really close relationship I've had with a shaman in the Amazon was with Don Fidel Mozambite in 1976. And we spent a couple of months living very near him in the house where they had ayahuasca sessions…

…No. I've never seen a musical instrument in an ayahuasca session. Everything is voice, voice, voice. And that's what they're into. Don Fidel is a good example. Many of you have probably heard his tape, but there are many such practitioners. They also, in…

…but there are many such practitioners. They also, in the curing process, use very sharp sounds. And in fact when you talk to Don Fidel he has a very animated style that is not the macho spanish style at all. His speech is punctuated with all these…

…even interested. They were interested in what they would call understanding. The same thing which drives a scientist, they say. I mean, Don Fidel, who I took most of my ayahuasca with, we would take it on Saturday nights with a group of about 40 people…

…told the story of this ulcer in the meeting, in this amazing liquidity voice in the darkness. And after she was finished, Don Fidel just sat. And then he said, you're having an affair and you're concerned what will happen when your husband finds out…

…for years. And this was like a long time ago, maybe eight years ago. And I got it out and I couldn't remember whether Don Fidel had said, always shake the bottle or neck before you safe. We should shake the bottle, in case that's what he did say. So…

…to, who was beloved by his neighborhood. But he had a nephew, a sobrino, who was a jerk. I mean, this guy was, as Don Fidel said, ambitious. He dealt a little weed, he did a little pimping. He was just sort of an edge runner type of guy. And…

…a big noise and all the singing stock and everybody in the room looked up and these three old shaman who were sitting behind Don Fidel, who I, to that point, had not heard speak any language but quechua. One turned to the other and he says in Spanish,…