…the fish would succumb to the streams again, and the lakes would come alive again. On the other hand, you say, Harley, the dimensions in which those fish and those creatures exist would be enormously impoverished. That is, human consciousness of them adds…

…image. Well, look at, well... Tony, do you want to cut that sound before we do any talking? The constable world, you say, Harley, is really the discovery of the outer world as a world of artistic thrillers. world of paint as paint, as opposed to paint…

…that little thing I have? There's a butter in it. I want to look at it. Why in isolation? Why in isolation? Why don't you get Harley and me? I will. I'll take one and get one of each of you. And this will count to 20 and take it off. Like hands…

…got yourself a swell set of overtones, of course. Holy cow! Listen to the vibration of that truck, eh? Well, anyway, museums make, when Harley and I once sat down to wait for some curator to come to our rescue in a museum, where was that, Tom? New…

…rescue in a museum, where was that, Tom? New York? No, at the Museum of Natural Science. And we said, all right, Harley. I said, all right, Harley, you know that everyone who enters a museum suddenly gets claustrophobia. Now, why? Why is this horrible…

…was that, Tom? New York? No, at the Museum of Natural Science. And we said, all right, Harley. I said, all right, Harley, you know that everyone who enters a museum suddenly gets claustrophobia. Now, why? Why is this horrible shut-in feeling suddenly a…

…effects, and therefore you could, we wouldn't have to talk for half an hour, for half our disk, that's what I'm saying. I don't Harley and I have this book coming out called Space and Boating Panic. And we don't have the text of the poems with us. I…

…touch is the word of God. Well, I'm... How much time is there? Yeah, we've got 20 minutes. There's so many items that Ted and Harley have brought up. I just want to mention a few that would... Yes, it's pure. That apple of the eye, for instance, is a…

…So that in addition to Dr. McLuhan and Dr. Carpenter and Professor Parker, there are a number of other people, Tony Schwartz, whom Harley mentioned before, just has to be the best guy working in sound in the country these days. And we have a filmmaker…

…sort of form in which they originally existed, and as it were, in action. Do you find a tendency move of that sort developing, Harley? Well, I think that to do that, however, we need the help of a great number of things. We need the help of sound,…

…to the point of the person's understanding at any rate. I think this might provide much more audience participation. What about, Harley, what about the O.K. Moore Responsive Environment Treatment? You know, the typewriter that you touch the letter A and it…

…this little note. It's Art in America, March, April. Art in America, March, April, 66. Electronic Museum. Oh, he should. Yeah, Harley. Harley Parker is doing a book on museums, past, present, future, and with his eye on unused potential. Well, it's been…

…make this little note. It's Art in America. Uh, March, April. Art in America, March, April, 66. Uh, electronic museum. Yeah, Harley. Harley Parker is doing a book on museums, past, present, future. And, uh, with his eye on unused potential. Well, it's…