…as an art form. People go, it's like Ben Shahn's paintings. I remember when I was in college, I suddenly discovered Ben Shahn, who illuminated the whole area to which I'd been walking for several years, backwards and forwards to college, and suddenly all…

…area to which I'd been walking for several years, backwards and forwards to college, and suddenly all the buildings, suddenly became Ben Shahn buildings, with the things hanging out when they were building and so on. There's an article on Ben in Time this…