…on a PhD, if they need more material, there's new material to work with. So Vittorio got in touch with me through somebody, Tom Lytle, and said, let's go over this. What went on? You did this? You had this stuff burning in your skin. Now it turned…

…know, doing this research without academic institutional support and keeping the interest alive in a different way. Well, these guys, I mean, Tom Lytle, I guess he had seen a couple of pieces of mine in High Times Magazine. So he saw the ayahuasca piece…