…would stop selling it because the DEA had called them and said, what are you doing? Don't sell palladium chloride to every Tom, Dick and Harry that's ordering it from you. You know, the DEA would pressure something that was absolutely not a restricted…

…one video on a RotoVap. You're set forever. And hey, that's B-roll, right? So it's good. And so there's a couple other people like Tom and Niall Redd in there now and Chemical Force. So it's a pretty decent group of people. I think as long as people…

…with and you want to help each other succeed. And viewers like that too, right? When you see people collaborating like you and Tom making videos, I was like, oh, that's awesome. That's like super cool to see creators do that. So I think it could be…

…by Matt Baggett and Matt Zorn, were working very hard to prevent the prohibition of these substances, as was Mindstate, represented by Tom Ray and, again, Matt Zorn. Panacea also was working and Jason and I were working as individuals so we're not working…

…right. I mean, I think if you look at the history of how many times is scheduling been pulled, you know, there's for Tom, that's that's that's kind of a weird situation, right? Where there was the temp, there was the emergency scheduling that was pulled…

…mine in High Times Magazine. So he saw the ayahuasca piece that was probably the first national cover story on ayahuasca in 86. But Tom got in touch, and he had a friend named David Goldstein. He's a friend of mine. I love him. Oh, okay, because that…

…I want to see the whole notes? It was like, holy mackerel, I only gave you $500, you know? So David came over to my house and, Tom came over to my house early on. I think in 91, one or the other or both were among a group of 10 or 12. Now we…

…of, of, of altered realities who did frog sweat in my house, in my kitchen. Um, So it was a good group of time. I mean, Tom and I just became fast friends. I had a big interview done with him for High Times. He in turn did a big interview, the…

…Rick Doblin, before Rick Doblin had any letters after his name, when he was just, just beginning MAPS. And yeah, I mean, I think Tom, Over the years, he used two or three of my pieces about indigenous matzahs and sapo and hunting magic. And I think, I…