…healers in order to access to something that any teenager could grow in their bedroom as a result of Terrence McKenna, Dennis McKenna, Jeremy Bigwood and others. DMT underwent a similar transformation, going from an obscure psychedelic oddity that was…

…in a way that feels so beautiful and compelling that there's a reason that he's beloved by all. And I think that with Terrence McKenna... One of the major issues is that people tend to take the things that he said too literally. Whenever I do an…

…brought an Amazon strain back. That's all he did. He brought Amazon strains of mushrooms. I don't think I have ever met Terrence McKenna personally. I think I would remember it. And so between me and Terence McKenna, there's no connection at all. But in…

…the only reason I'm actually talking to you about this is this story about how all this happened and a bloody letter and Terrence McKenna, just baloney from the very beginning. Yeah. And if I did meet Terrence, I think he would have been busy talking to…

…Mike, how would you like to work with psychedelics? And I'm like... Well, yeah, of course. And it turns out that Terrence McKenna and some other crazy-looking hippies, as they called them, had delivered some blood samples that were taken from some natives…

…helped to amplify the experience. Anyway, as it is, I had a lot of very interesting experiences. So you mentioned that Terrence McKenna had sent blood samples taken from Amazonian shamans. Yeah. What were they hoping to find? Well, I don't know exactly…