…in, I think, 72, 73, and I came aboard in 86. And the first story I wrote was, you know, ayahuasca, and Steve Hager retitled it to Ayahuasca, Mind-Bending Drug of the Amazon, which I was totally embarrassed about, and I remain bitter about it being…

…plant doctor, amazing healer, It was a catalog of information on hallucinogens from Central and South America. Then I got a call from Steve Hager and the publisher and said, come on, let's meet. So I went in for the first time and met him and they…