…really good friend when I was about from 16 to 18, and his name was Jerome Heckenkamp. And he went by the alias of Skate, S-K-8. And we were sort of kindred spirits. I was an outlier in the computer underground. I would never talk about quote unquote…

…and Juniper and a couple of really big places. And I think he defaced at least one of them. So this kid who went by Skate in our circles, he was arrested as magic effects and he had this long court battle and ended up going to prison. But during the…

…me and they sat me down in the living room in front of my dad. And they're like, yeah, do you know this person? Skate Jerome Heckenkamp. And I'm like, yeah, I know him. I know him really well. He's a super nice kid. He's actually very Christian. Like…