…anymore. Right. Well, yeah, let me know if it comes to you. That's interesting. I never heard that before. And so that Sasha Shulgin was working in a clinical lab and doing synthesis of... MDA type compound. Yeah, he did some syntheses. I think he mostly…

…I was just stupefied the first time that happened. That's amazing. And given that you have the opportunity to spend time with Sasha Shulgin at a period when he was doing such foundational work on psychedelics, I mean, when I met him, he was already in…

…going downhill. Well, you look pretty good to me. And if you have any memories about that era, when you were working with Sasha Shulgin or writing those books, or you find any documents from that period, please write to me or call me anytime. You know,…

…title at the time. But it had a lot of ethnopharmacology. And Maria Sabino was a guest there. And Andy Weil was there. And Sasha Shulgin was there. So I got to hear Sasha's Dirty Pictures talk. And I didn't really talk to him at the time, but it was…

…these findings. I mean, the same thing happened with 5-bromo-DMT in sea sponges, where, you know, it was very provocative, and Sasha Shulgin wrote about it in T-Call, and... It's easy enough to synthesize. I've synthesized it. It even became a gray market…

…right, put into Schedule 1. And that figure was that law back then, we can talk about this, that radicalized somebody like Sasha Shulgin, who had never spoken out on drug policy issues until after that happened. But more recently, in 2018, I think the…

…to marijuana or people talking about psilocybin and mushrooms, right? And my sense there is, I mean, I was friendly with Sasha Shulgin, you know, the kind of guru godfather of the psychedelics. And he kind of poo-pooed. Oh, there's something special about…