…only go to the people on the list. It was not out on the open internet at all. A lot of key people were on there. Sasha was on there and just many figures that later came to be really important. Either on that list or at a party in Berkeley that…

…with him, I won't go out and say his last name, but he was another important person, and he was good friends with Sasha. He was another one of those guys who had decided to make the focus of his studies pharmacology and psychopharmacology. And he was…

…of the company that he told me, but it was a big one, one of the big pharmaceutical companies. So I'm sure he and Sasha had many good conversations because they had a lot in common. Dr. Tim, he helped me through conversation and sort of counseling, but…

…want to call myself lazy but it was just at the time it felt like there's no time for that i just want to Sasha said something once that something like orbitals are for, help me out here if I say it wrong, orbitals are for scholars, but chemistry…

…a leader. I think that's one of the ways that the Shulgens did so well is that there was no question that Anne and Sasha were the leaders of the group. And so the group members deferred, or at least held them at a higher level than themselves. There…

…got to hear Sasha's Dirty Pictures talk. And I didn't really talk to him at the time, but it was clear that Sasha wasn't accepting graduate students, but Dave Nichols was. So with the encouragement of my professor at Temple, I contacted Dave Nichols…

…burning up this wonderful starting material, precious starting material. Where did it come from, the lysergic acid? I believe it came from Sasha. Sasha had gotten it from... Well, I don't want to speculate. I believe it came from Sasha. And he hadn't done,…

…up this wonderful starting material, precious starting material. Where did it come from, the lysergic acid? I believe it came from Sasha. Sasha had gotten it from... Well, I don't want to speculate. I believe it came from Sasha. And he hadn't done, as far…

…lysergic acid? I believe it came from Sasha. Sasha had gotten it from... Well, I don't want to speculate. I believe it came from Sasha. And he hadn't done, as far as I'm aware, I don't think he did any research on the lysergemides. Am I wrong about…

…that are in PCOL, are those written by you? You know, I don't know. I'll have to check it out. We probably sent some to Sasha, but I don't know if he ever did it. He might have been curious because of his background with TOM to see what happened…

…to cults, so it was like, oh, this is weird. I just don't like the vibe, so I never pursued it. Why do you think Sasha... was involved with these people because this is kind of one of the interesting things is I've heard a number of people who Sasha…

…was involved with these people because this is kind of one of the interesting things is I've heard a number of people who Sasha helped in the industrial or at the very least large scale manufacturer of MDMA. So this is clearly something that he not only…

…all about his motivations for even involving you in such an enterprise? No, not really. I mean, he was, he was just, you know, Sasha helps everybody. He was, he was so open about everything and he just, you know, he just knew that I just got my PhD.…

…wasn't. I didn't have enough to actually test. I got a few milligrams from him and from Shulgin. But Repke was testing them and Sasha was testing them. And yeah, so there was, there was testing going on. In fact, I think that they reported some of that…