…the code Hamilton, you get 20% off your purchase. Okay, here we go. So I'm really happy to share this interview with Robert Oberlander. He is not a household name like David E. Nichols or Alexander Shulgin or Albert Hoffman, but it's very important to…

…dozens of other researchers who who were toiling away and building the framework around these discoveries. Brilliant chemists, people like Robert Oberlander or David Repke or Peyton Jacobs or... Stuart Frescus, and the list goes on and on and on. These are…

…collected from different members of his research group, sometimes from people that he corresponded with, and sometimes from people like Robert Oberlander. I remember that the first time I met Robert Oberlander was in 2017 at a MAPS conference. And a chemist…

…from people that he corresponded with, and sometimes from people like Robert Oberlander. I remember that the first time I met Robert Oberlander was in 2017 at a MAPS conference. And a chemist that I knew said, Robert Oberlander's here. You've got to meet…

…got to meet him. And I said, I don't know if I'm familiar. Who is that? He said, oh, you don't know who Robert Oberlander is? He's a legend. And... The name was sort of familiar, but he's just one of these names. You see a scientific publication,…

…was sort of familiar, but he's just one of these names. You see a scientific publication, a paper authored by David E. Nichols, Robert Oberlander, and there's no story behind it. You don't really know who this guy is. And so he brought me up to a hotel…

…You don't really know who this guy is. And so he brought me up to a hotel room and I started talking. Robert Oberlander is this jolly, calm, kind, wonderful person. We had a great conversation and I've talked to him periodically since and he's always…

…down. But the chemistry research and the underground self-experimentation very much continued. Some of the things that Robert Oberlander worked on were synthesis of various molecules. butyl derivatives of 2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine, DOBU, that's the N-butyl, the…

…any carbon bulk. It's the perfect way to constrain the diethyl groups in LSD. The problem was that it was synthetically impossible. Oberlander couldn't do it. But in his failure... He created an alkyl chloride that I feel must have inspired Nichols in the…

…Clearly, this compound is some weird s***. Okay, so that's not Shulgin-like language. But Shulgin was aware of what happened to Oberlander, and he wrote in the extensions and commentary, There is another message of warning. Here, one must accept the eloquent…

…Takeda. This is a hugely profitable drug. It's made probably tens of billions since its release. And it was discovered by Robert Oberlander. So you have a person who... suffered what was at the time a catastrophic accident in the context of his scientific…