…not have worked on otherwise. Right. And so for people that are unfamiliar with this sort of work and also unfamiliar with Glennon, could you give just a tiny bit of background on drug discrimination and Glennon and this entire concept? Sure. It's an…

…this sort of work and also unfamiliar with Glennon, could you give just a tiny bit of background on drug discrimination and Glennon and this entire concept? Sure. It's an operant conditioning model. So it goes back to the Skinner boxes of days of yore.…

…Right. It's much more specific. So with the head twitch, or what was popular at the time, there was a fundus. And Richard Glennon was doing work with the rat fundus model. the muscle would contract. And one of our early papers was to challenge the…

…specific and it correlated better with Sasha's data which was the hard measure of relevancy right was there competition with Glennon I've always found Glennon mysterious because he's never at psychedelic conferences. He doesn't seem to be part of the…

…better with Sasha's data which was the hard measure of relevancy right was there competition with Glennon I've always found Glennon mysterious because he's never at psychedelic conferences. He doesn't seem to be part of the psychedelic community, yet he's one…

…discrimination stuff. I forgot his name. He was a little more friendly. But yeah, without getting too much into personalities, I think Glennon really wasn't the type of guy that you could buddy up with and certainly never impressed me as someone I find…

…And it just led to lots of papers and lots of grants. But no, I never got any warm and fuzzy feelings from talking to Glennon. And it was clear that there was some kind of competition going on there with Dave. Dave didn't have a lot of good things…