…met many years ago because he's from Texas and he was interested in following up on my work on the murder of Steven Pollock because he had legal resources and he thought he might be able to dig up additional information on the murder of Steven Pollock.…

…Pollock because he had legal resources and he thought he might be able to dig up additional information on the murder of Steven Pollock. As far as I know, he was not able to dig up additional information But we kept talking, and eventually he started…

…you know, and in an accessible way. So, yeah, I am glad we did it, and I'm not repentant. Did you know Stephen Pollock? I never knew him, no. Yeah. Notorious guy. Yeah, certainly. And you mentioned being afraid when you published that, and... I think…

…fragmented components of a narrative that had never been published in any kind of historical literature. Where did it come from? Pollock was maybe involved, McKenna was involved, and then there was one other person named Rich G., a pseudonym for a…

…to be, because he was tremendously successful using this technique. I think it was my fascination with Gutierrez that led me to the Pollock story and so many other interesting stories in my career. And so I feel very close to him, even though we've never…

…if I did meet Terrence, I think he would have been busy talking to everybody else who was trying to get to him. I did visit Pollock and I had a friend who had a fish store. And he had a friend who bought his, he bought saltwater mix for his fish.…

…had a fish store. And he had a friend who bought his, he bought saltwater mix for his fish. And so I stopped at Salt Pollock, his place, and then I stayed down there. But that's the last time I saw Pollock. He never told me anything. He just showed…

…for his fish. And so I stopped at Salt Pollock, his place, and then I stayed down there. But that's the last time I saw Pollock. He never told me anything. He just showed me what he was doing. He was really happy because he could go to the zoo and…