…which has been... a pretty good opportunity to listen to and edit interviews. So this interview is with a journalist named Peter Gorman. He is a very interesting person for a number of reasons. He's probably best known for being the journalist who broke…

…ago, although they're quite mild and faded at this point. But... The reason that most people know about this is because of Peter Gorman. He was the one that brought this to public attention. And for that reason, I think that this conversation is very…

…drugs, changes in drug policy, advocating for drug reform, as well as producing a lot of artistically interesting writing. Peter Gorman reported on many important things. He was able to track down the radical environmentalist or eco-terrorist, depending on who…

…how people will sometimes say, well, how do I get involved in this world? What do I do? And I think someone like Peter Gorman is a great example. Being interested, learning, investigating is how you get involved in this world. And I think that there's a…

…the basis of a paper that appeared in 1992 in the pharmacological magazine, Toxicon, in which he says, basically, you know, anthropologist Peter Gorman went down and did this frog sweat, had stuff burned into his skin by the Maya ruin, and this is what…

…happened to him. This paper will investigate whether any of that material that he, you know, whether or not what happened to Peter Gorman can be traced to the actual chemicals in the frog secretion. And pretty much one by one by one, everything I talked…

…as if tons of animals were getting, you know, running through me at one point. And he said, that one he can't explain. Either Gorman just made it up or it's his own personal, you know, but there's no chemical that would have caused that. So, yeah. So,…

…statement, 249. And then I began calling four or five a day. And I was cold calling. And my talk was, hello, this is Peter Gorman. I'm a reporter for High Times Magazine. I'm trying to reach Dave Foreman. I don't know if you know Dave Foreman, but if…

…day. And I'd kind of do about 100. Just over half of the state. And I got a call one afternoon. Hello, is this Peter Gorman? Yeah. What can I do for you? Click. There or two later. Hello, is this Peter Gorman? Click, click, click. Six or seven times…

…call one afternoon. Hello, is this Peter Gorman? Yeah. What can I do for you? Click. There or two later. Hello, is this Peter Gorman? Click, click, click. Six or seven times it went down like that. And maybe the seventh or eighth time, hello, is this…

…see what those changes are, it's too late. They've already been made. You know, people took over and Father Medusa by color from Peter Gorman and they're now laying claim that they were the first and that it's combo it's not sepo and it's this and that…

…okay? So because there's a river town that you stop in on the way to where we're going to do, you know, our Peter Gorman jaunt. And that river town is home to seven or eight correderos, healers. They all work with ayahuasca, some work with other…

…they really do know the plants. They know tons of stuff about the jungle. Well, when they see me, they always see a Peter Gorman who has clients So that means Peter Gorman has money. And that makes them, some of them, think, I haven't worked in six…

…tons of stuff about the jungle. Well, when they see me, they always see a Peter Gorman who has clients So that means Peter Gorman has money. And that makes them, some of them, think, I haven't worked in six months. Why does he work with so-and-so? I'm…

…to each other, if they start drinking Aguardiente, you know, hard cane liquor, it really comes up pretty quickly. Like, you see Gorman today? How many people he had? And maybe, I don't know, six, but including my team, it was 13. And they're drunk,…

…Sure, yeah. Are people ready to get turned on? Is this a little electricity? If you go to, on the web, the Gorman... Gorman Expeditions. GormanExpeditions.com, a page, a GoFundMe page will come up. And it explains the trip. Basically, I did two trips all…

…yeah. Are people ready to get turned on? Is this a little electricity? If you go to, on the web, the Gorman... Gorman Expeditions. GormanExpeditions.com, a page, a GoFundMe page will come up. And it explains the trip. Basically, I did two trips all over…