…about ayahuasca, because as it turned out, as I later learned, he had been in the Amazon with Schultes and my supervisor, Neil Towers on the, uh, rv rv uh not heraclitus that was later the rv alpha helix the scripps institution of oceanography's research…

…research vessel took a ethnobotanical expedition to the amazon in 1979 and uh uh You know, Schultes was in charge, and Neil Towers, my PhD supervisor, was in charge, and Juan Saavedra was on that boat as well. So he actually knew my supervisor…