…some work into the books, but they had a somewhat passive involvement with the subject. As you'll find out in this interview, Michael Starks only synthesized two psychedelic drugs. This was not a big part of his life and he moved on. Yet he wrote this…

…shamans do now. He did it a few times. Okay, and one more thing, because I'm going to actually talk about Michael Starks, but before I get into that, I want to just finish this preamble on pseudonymously authored psychedelic literature, because this is…

…Smith. So I knew it was a pseudonym, but who wrote it? I... at some point heard that it was a guy named Michael Starks who'd written a couple of other related books. And I found some contact information, I tried a few times, nothing worked, the…

…helpful for people. That was not lazy. It was anything but. This was an amazing resource. So when I finally got through to Michael Starks, he's now 78 years old. He was very friendly, very happy to talk to me. He had a lot of strange stories. He…

…it's all fully audible. It's not perfect studio audio, but I think you should be able to hear the strange stories that Michael Starks, a.k.a. Michael Valentine Smith, has to tell. I hope you enjoy. Hello, this podcast is available unedited and ad free at…