…way people act like it's less dignified, but simulating drug use is okay, or literally anything else. I saw there was a Michael Pollan interview on Joe Rogan, and he's talking about making this How to Change Your Mind Netflix series, and he's like, I…

…So if you can check out his book, Botany of Desire, if you haven't read it, it's an amazing book. I think it's the first Michael Pollan book I read way before he was as famous as he is now. And he uses a few case examples, apples, opium, tulips as…