…the mid-90s at some psychedelics conference in San Francisco, but didn't really know him. Then he was in prison. I mean, Leonard Picard, you know, as many of your listeners will know, was maybe the most famous and prolific of all the underground…

…the FDA-approved version that Compass or some of the others come up with. Now, mind that. I got to be frank. After meeting Leonard Picard, that's where we started, he introduced me to people. So now I just joined the advisory board of one of the startup…