…was actually one of the first people I ever interviewed, and we discussed, among many other things, the interesting fact that Ken Nelson was a participant in the original DMT studies that are discussed in DMT, the spirit molecule. It was actually... this…

…with a strange religion and these t-shirts and who was Al Most? Well, now many of you know that the answer is Ken Nelson. And that story was told in the synthetic toad venom machine episode that was the premiere of season three. So these stories…

…He's done methamphetamine synthesis, and that's about it. He wrote an entire book on LSD chemistry, but never made LSD. And Ken Nelson, although he pioneered this toad venom milking and smoking. was not somebody that did it throughout his life. It was very…

…for me. Some of these other ones, just the story of how I figured it out is completely nuts. The obvious example being Ken Nelson and Al Most being the most convoluted piece of research that I have ever done. And something that required not just me,…

…former head of the Drug Policy Alliance. He didn't know what to do. I contacted Holly Whitson, the lawyer who was friends with Ken Nelson in the Toad episode, who is just a very helpful, legally wise person. She gave some advice on how to file for a…