…requesting my papers on ayahuasca, which had just come out. And I knew him from the literature because his name was Juan Saavedra. And he and Julius Axelrod had published on the first papers on endogenous DMT. You know, they'd isolated DMT from rabbit's…

…to the amazon in 1979 and uh uh You know, Schultes was in charge, and Neil Towers, my PhD supervisor, was in charge, and Juan Saavedra was on that boat as well. So he actually knew my supervisor in the Amazon, which I didn't even know when he invited…