…got the word illicit in there. They invited me to speak, you know, a bunch of, along with other people, I think Jonathan Ott was there, some other people were there, like that, and I talked about ayahuasca, which is what I'd always talked about. and…

…uh, like chloroquine or something where it became sort of politicized. Like, I don't know if you've seen that argument between Jonathan Ott and, um, and, uh, Thomas Lytle that was published in the journal of psychedelic drugs, but it was like, it was…

…of depend on it it's You know, I could see if, like, maybe you want to be skeptical of just, like, the one study by Ott, which was impressively done and beautiful. But, you know, you say, okay, that's an N of one, and I don't know, maybe it was…