…amazingly strange that a former head of psychiatry at Harvard Medical would be invested in such a fringe topic. Yes, I did know John Mack growing up. He was a family friend, and I agree, he was a truly remarkable person. For those not familiar with John…

…John Mack growing up. He was a family friend, and I agree, he was a truly remarkable person. For those not familiar with John Mack, he was a psychiatrist, he was the head of the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, he won a Pulitzer Prize…

…since I've read Abduction, and that's the only one of John Mack's books that I actually have read, but... My feeling about John Mack, at least in terms of how he publicly presented his views on alien abduction phenomena, was a sort of agnostic view or…

…them the pain of having to grieve the loss of their wife repeatedly due to their amnesia or dementia or whatever. So John Mack felt, I believe, that interrogating the reality of the abduction phenomena was not beneficial to the patients. It was better to…

…I think I talked about this on a previous podcast. It was actually very moving seeing all these crying abductees who credited John Mack with saving their lives. Now, I think that the story is actually a little bit more complicated than that. I do think…

…saving their lives. Now, I think that the story is actually a little bit more complicated than that. I do think that John Mack was not just engaging in a form of therapeutic deception. I think that he actually did believe in aliens and alien abduction…

…aliens. But I'm just going to go out on a limb and say I don't think that aliens actually abduct people. So what John Mack did was controversial. I think we can imagine lots of instances where that sort of therapeutic deception, if we want to call it…

…are probably situations where validation would help, and there are probably situations where validation might hurt. So I do think that John Mack believed in alien abduction, and I think he helped a lot of people, but obviously His work was controversial and…